The government is saying our productivity is too low.

Well, what do they expect, the amount of safety inductions performed each and every day are killing a decent days work.

In fact, there is a new saying in the mining industry, it's called GREEN TAPE, and is sinking the industry with over regulate compliance.

Now while I accept safety is a concern, seriously, how many ti es must one be told the same thing.

I am affraid productivity has gone by the way side for many, just like a good hard days work.

Until this changes, productivity must remain low.

Rechtub! sorry but your post/thread is enough evidence to convict you of?
Let others tell you.
You seem to think pointing out the pure stupidity of SOME of your thoughts is picking on you.
Is every thing going ok mate? not feeling down?
See you on a thread that makes sense.

rehctub, the bottom line is that we manufacture nothing because our sovereign right to impose a tariff on cheaply produced imports was taken away from us with the signing of the Lima Agreement, we just cannot compete. It was signed by the then governing Labor party with the full support of the Liberal cross benches. It is a U.N. protocol that lays down a plan to move manufacturing from the first world to the second and third worlds gradually over a forty year period. The forty years are up and we produce nothing except baristas and service industry plebs.
As for the rest, we are in a nanny society that was engendered by the Fabian society by placing bleeding hearts in our public service and governing bodies.
I know Belly doesn’t faze you, so don’t mind his comment about stupidity and you getting the poops if someone calls you stupid. Belly sooked because I said his intellect is not up to grasping facts, so he is certainly not one who can throw stones.

Yes, Belly doesn't wish to admit to facts especially when unions are involved.

Thefasts are our productivity is so bad, that most workers now have an observer.

Also, all these safety officers are on huge dollars and in real term, don't turn a single stone. There is also this huge influx of experts, most of which have achieved their degree via a multiple choice Internet course.

If these government officials would simp,y open their eyes, they would see how ridiculous this issue has become and perhaps save us a few million on yet another enquiry/forum that this government appears to revel in.

Again, I must stress, I am not opposed to safety, but seriously, we have simply gone too far.

Of cause, labor are pro safety overload, as it helps the job numbers.

BTW, Belly doesn't phase me as I grew up with a pro unionist as a dad. Loved him to deat, but never agreed on that issue.

Stop all this chit-chat and get back to work!

If you don't like it there's plenty more people out there who would be happy to do even more and get paid less.

I blame the Carbon Tax. They told us it would lower productivity, and see it's happened!

The Carbon Tax is so bad it even talking about it lowers productivity.
It's not safe...

Oh well, I'm sure a few more workplace accidents will definitely lift productivity - Not!
Several years as MD/GM of large manufacturing businesses taught me that, far from reducing productivity, a focus on workplace safety actually lifts productivity, because employee culture and attitudes improves significantly and these factors always effect productivity.
And, as the Japanese auto industry taught the world, quality is inextricably linked to cleanliness and safety in the workplace.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Oh and another point rechtub,
Will you volunteer to go knock on someone's door and say, "Madam, I have some bad news for you and the kids, your husband won't be coming home from work - ever. But, Madam, look on the bright side. You may have lost a husband, but see how our profit has improved since we saved money by abandoning workplace safety."
Somehow, I don't think you'd take that job, rechtub.
I think you'd let someone else do the dirty work, while you sat in safety and comfort pushing your free market ideology.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Come on Anthony. We're not allowed to sack them [you know, jobs for life & all that], so how are we going to get rid of all those bludgers, bush lawyers, union delegates & just plain dead heads, if things get too safe.

You've got to leave us a few dangerous jobs/places in industry, to use to get rid of the malcontents. Belay that, we have no industry left to have dangerous places in it.

There is mining of course, but Gina & Clive have fixed that. It will be guest workers only in the mines, so who cares how many get done in there.

Anthoinyve only you bring me back to this red neck thread.
Seemingly holders of about half your IQ some actually swear in anger at your introduction of reality.
Rechtub may be under some unknown pressure.
Symptoms can include lashing out in manner such as this.
As an ex employer, known via his posts to dislike, a soft use of the word, hate may well have fitted, workers/unions/wages/backpackers/well not enough space.
Safety in the workplace is driven by? the boss!
All want less blood on the benches, floor/highway, I could go on but the whole thing is too hard for red neck corner to take on board.
I have shared the awful task, telling mum and kids dad is dead, with the boss.
Mark this! it is not beyond Rechtub to demand no meal breaks, sleeping on the floor by the work bench, and an end to annual leave.
Rechtub denounces his dads thoughts, but is at best, unable to think clearly.

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Well, what do they expect, the amount of safety inductions performed each and every day are killing a decent days work.
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How's 25,000, Yes - read it loud "TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS" and four days work to put a 20 dollar extraction fan in a government building. All because of over the top bureaucratic bullsh!t!

Something you can do in ten minutes for about 70 bucks anywhere else where there are no union parasites watching over your shoulder!

And people wonder why everything is going through the roof cost wise?

Speaking of Bullsh!t....
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Raw Mustard drive interstate trucks do you?
Well said Anthonyve!

Thanks Anthony. Actually very funny. Just remember one man's bullsh!t is another man's manure ...

Hm, it is an interesting topic to talk about. I think that security and productivity are linked in a more "unconscious" way too. After all it is the employers duty to make sure that his or her employees are safe when working and it should be the aim to do the best possible. But not only for the physical safety. I guess that the employee's knowledge about the employers reliability, willingness, responsibility gives them a feeling of respect, mutual respect even. Taking other branches which are well paid and receive high acclaim in society, for example the watch manufacturers working for Frank Muller, available at http://www.chrono24.com, this becomes especially clear. This high end technology requires a good education and safety in the manufacturing locations.

Nice attempt to defame me again Belly, you are such a toss!

Get this, miners turn up for work, remembering, mines only employ EXPERIENCED PEOPLE then, before a stone is turned, they have a safety induction.

Then, they have smoko, you guessed it, another induction, just incase these EXPERIENCED WORKERS have forgotten what they were told two hours ago.

So, lunch is over, you guessed it, yet anoth safety induction, just incase these EXPERIENCED WORKERS have forgotten what they were told twice already today.

So it afternoon break, yep, you guessed it, another induction for these EXPERIENCED WORKERS, just incase they have forgotten what they were told three times today.

So, off they go back to camp, that's after another safety induction of cause, before turning up tomorrow to go through the same stuff for the twentieth time this roster, just icase these EXPERIENCED WORKERS have forgotten what they have been told, day in day out, week in week out.

Yep, safety is certainly not to blame for poor productivity, as these are all EXPERINCED WORKERS, otherwise they simp,y wouldn't have got a start.

It's a shame they also appear to be very slow learners.

@ Belly

No I work for a living unlike some.

Do you know what's required to cut a hole in a wall in a government building where union parasites abound?
Do you know what certificates, jsa's you need just to enter a room?
Do you know who, how many have to complete several inductions before entering the premises?
Do you know how many people need to check each and every person involved in said work?
Do you know how long it takes just to get your damn extension lead checked and tagged, let alone your other tools"
Do you know how much some of these highly skilled (Actual working) people cost?

Have you ever done any work in these places in the last 5 years?

I bet you think everyone sits on their fat ass all day waiting for the government to throw them some scraps.

Come on smart ass tell me what it takes to punch a hole in a wall in a government building full of union parasites?

Anthonyve has put it just perfectly in perspective in his first two posts.

Rechtub the following is not an attempt to put you down.
No one can do that better than you do.
Look at your threads, go back to the one warning us, yes warning us,the NBN may be a waste, BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT HP DUMPING WORKERS WORLD WIDE, WOULD MAKE? the NBN obsolete!
Any firm, by law must, but willingly spends on training,safety workplace and more.
Your whole theme, SOME of those who support you, is CHILDISHLY SILLY!
No one need put you down, EVERY WORD is in your own posts.
Your post history is all the evidence my charges need, your words convict you.

While retracting nothing I have said here I can do better.
For those who do not know I am a trade unionist.
Proud to have 46 years as delegate.
And ten as official of this country's best Union.
In my last job before the union official, I was selected and trained as workplace trainer.
By my employer.
My tasks included training packages including work attendance [controlling sick leave]
And work place injury reductions.
An employer is vitally interested in cutting lost time injury's, first insurance can rise to become total out of control as lost time does.
In extreme cases the employer can be sued,by the government devisions over looking such matters and the injured workers.
A loss, quite large, can be the impact of injury's,even the lost skill and time of valued workers no longer able to work, for a period or forever.
In the matter of lost productivity being linked to any training the employers may wish?
Thinking readers may see, while I have got a little rude the thread is quite strange, in fact more than silly
Next the hatred of unions.

Unionism, cards on the table first.
I have at the same time, been a member of my union, and any other on site.
Delegate for two, and site delegate at the same time.
But first AWU always.
I condemn, now and always radical unionism.
Have always thought strike action to be a failure, by boss and unions, the last resort.
Here in this thread, I could have stepped aside, unions not mine are under attack.
My enemy till death, the extremist CFMEU is the one targeted here, but wrongly.
Very few house builders, school builders are unionists.
Re read the taunts, near bigotry, I am convinced bigotry or stupidity can be the only reason such claims are made.
Workplace training, on the job safety skills,behavior matters, EG how to behave around children in a school project.
Are an investment by the boss, in smooth running.
Many ex union officials are head hunted by those bosses to do the training.
I was picked because they thought, rightly, I wanted the true offenders targeted not every one, and that I knew better workout comes say jobs stay not go.
The filth that is the HSU, others exist, has me raging for heads on sticks.
But the hate directed at unions is no less primitive and uninformed as those people strapping bombs to their chests.
A union member can be good or bad lazy or the best worker you have.
He may live next door.
I returned to explain my heated words, as I have done before I say I am considering my future here.
Some true unfocused bigotry is being thrown around.
And heat, yes mine too, is not evidence the thrower can count without taking his/her shoes off.
Considered comment is always welcome but just a few are incapable of it.

So correct me if I'm wrong Belly, but you consider the amount of safety inductions being carried out these days are acceptable and, more importantly, don't effect productivity.

,meanwhile, even after all this talk about safety, we still have truck drivers, in charge of 100 ton plus rigs, wearing thongs while driving. Yeh right!

We still have drug testing on job sites, why, because the billions spent on safety in the workplace havnt sunk through to some.

Now, before you go and shoot me down, yet again, I am a strong supporter of safety in the workplace. In fact, in my twenty three years as an employer, I had two TWO ONLY acidents, both were caused by employees not follow protocol, or failing to use safety gear available to them.

So to accuse me of being a poor employer, wanting to strip ALL WORKERS of entitlements, I have three words for you. GO SCREW YOURSELF!

As for the NBN, not only are we headed for mobile tech, but do you honestly think these fools can administer a project so large and not stuff it up.

If business wishes to have high speed broad band, spend your own money, not ours.

rehtub,

The great E.F. Schumacher once wrote in "Small is Beautiful" on the role of "economics"....." economic performance, economic growth, economic expansion, and so forth have become the abiding interest, if not the obsession, of all modern societies. In the current vocabulary of condemnation there are few words as final and conclusive as the word "uneconomic". If an activity has been branded as uneconomic, its right to existence is not merely questioned but energetically denied. anything that is found to be an impediment to economic growth is a shameful thing, and if people cling to it, they are thought to be either saboteurs or fools. Call a thing immoral or ugly, soul destroying or a degradation of man, a peril to the peace of the world or to the well-being of future generations; as long as you have not shown it to be "uneconomic" you have not really questioned its right to exist, grow and prosper."

Right alongside that is the word "productivity" - which applies to all of the above.

One gets weary of listening to your petite bourgeois bleating - as if you're so bloody hard done by....

Did it ever occur to you that these companies aren't running a small business, that because they operate on such a large scale that they are compelled to induct in the manner they do. What works in a local butcher shop doesn't work for a mega mining operation.

I wonder if you'll ever find the heart to "stop whinging".

Rechtub,
You posed questions to Belly, did he think that the current levels of safety training are apprpriate and do they effect productivity.
I'm sure Belly will answer for himself, but here's my answer.
Yes, I think the current levels of safety training are entirely apprpriate. I say that because accident and death at work stats are steadily improving year on year.
And I happen to think that human life is worth more than a bit extra profit.
And.no, I do not think that productivity is adversely effected. As I've pointed out earlier, improved safety actually leads to improved productivity and reduced staff turnover.
The costs of high staff turn over swamp any safety training costs.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Because of that term go screw myself, I would expect some latitude.
Rechtub! I see your posts of late as disjointed junk, for that reason asked are you well?
You talk such rubbish, from a base of failure to understand reality I hold concerns for your well being.
In truth, nothing but, you talk act think like a red neck.
I forgive you it is quite clear it is the best you can do.

I would rather be hated for what I am, than loved for what I am not.
Maybe the thought keeping me coming back, a sorrow for hurting Rechtubs feelings, is of more worth to me.
Than haveing the last word, but this thought too, will not leave me.
I never saw a safety meeting, or a safe work method statement, delivered at the start of every task every day, that was unneeded.
And never saw a single one, not one, not ordered by the boss.
I have seen a boss sack a worker for not attending one, for not obeying one, and for causing a workplace injury by not following one.
I believe, heart and sole, we must never let silliness like this thread pass unquestioned.
Workplace safety is of the uppermost importance to all involved.
I ask the detractors to tell me what they know of these daily updated workplace safety things.
Confined spaces brief, safe work method statements vehicle movement plans,drug tests, review of any recent accident checks on mandatory PPE