http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mnQHeGPrw After 1980 most leaders and scientists were convinced that the planet was in the path to destruction with AGW,increasing pop,environmental degradation and the arms race.

Dr David Evans said that by the mid 1990's the theory of AGW was no longer supported by the evidence but this has not stopped the UN in bringing in this oppressive Agenda 21.It is described by the UN as the comprehensive plan of action to taken globally,nationally and locally by organisations of the UN Systems.

Dr Rima Laidbow and Michael Shaw give us an insight into this evil agenda.It elevates nature above man and endorses "the precautionary principle" ie you are guilty until proven innocent.Rights and freedoms in no case be contrary to the purpose and principles of the UN."

Some objectives using their socialist control mechamisms;
* End to all national sovereignity.
* Abolition of private property.(With the exception of the billionaires running it)
* Restructure of the family unit.Make children have a greater allegiance to principles of sustainable development ie Govt, than their families.
*Increasing limitations on mobility and individual opportunity.

So they also have now new concepts in maths and logic.Maths is now a man made and the rules arbitary.Good solutions are arrived at consensus and not by logic.Very much like our consensus about Global Warming.

What is not sustainable:private property,fossil fuels, golf courses and ski lodges,consumerism,irrigation,paved roads,commercial agriculture,herbicides,pesticides,farmlands,pastures,grazing of livestock,family unit.

Is this the "Brave New World" that you want to live in?

Arjay, who is this crazy woman (she's not your beloved Dr Laibow) in the youtube to which you refer us who says;

< …it contains something called the precautionary principle, where basically you’re guilty until you’re proven innocent… >

What an almighty absurdity!!

If we don’t observe the precautionary principle, what do we do? Observe the no-caution ‘principle’??

Arjay, whilst I agree with some of your interpretation of Agenda 21, it is most certainly a topic that needs much more public exposure. Not that the UN or its agencies would like to see this.

You only need to try to follow the cascaded threads of related UN policies to realize that the further down you go the less relevant and less official the whole thing becomes. Once you get to about third tier references you are into pure NGO stuff.

Agenda 21’s core mantra is to take from the developed nations and give to the “poor”. This achieved by forcing compliance with Sustainable Development which is the mechanism of “voluntary codes” (sic) designed to get developed nations to adopt Degrowth, Steady State Economies, Managed Recession and Rationing of all the physical resources that gave us growth in the first place.

The rationing is achieved by convincing member states that not only are these resources finite and exhausted at some stage, but that this is imminent. This mechanism is created and supported by reference to “peak” resources and the precautionary principle. These basic policies are all that was ever needed to create the CAGW phenomena.

If we ever need to know just how well this works, take a look at the EU!

<<So they also have now new concepts in math’s and logic. Math’s is now a man made and the rules arbitrary>>.

This is interesting because much has been written on this topic. The sciences have been “socialized” and you are right, science is now a distorted concept.

Essays by Raymond Tallis provide insight as to how this has been accomplished.

“The process of marginalizing science adopts a strategy of “narrative theory” which treats science, philosophy, literature etc., as simply a different mode of story telling and therefore opened science up by rhetoric to “interpretation” or the creation of objective truth”.

“…that scientific laws are the product of “consensus” and must be understood in terms of the prejudices, social pressures and power”.

(Now where have we heard this before?)

Spot on.

Arjay, have you been drinking the kool aid again?

UN Agenda 21 states that the international community should provide a supportive environment for sustainable development of undeveloped countries. It suggests four means of doing this. Liberalizing trade, making trade and environment mutually supportive, providing financial to developing countries in order to allow them to develop sustainably and encouraging macro-environmental policies that support development with least impact on the environment (e.g. reducing carbon dioxide emissions).

There is nothing about an end to national sovereignty, nothing about abolishing private property, nothing about restructuring family units – unless you consider family planning advice to be restructuring family units.

This is just all conspiracy mongering.

In any case, in the current economic environment Agenda 21 is likely to be ignored.

Agronomist,

<< UN Agenda 21 states that the international community should provide a supportive environment for sustainable development of undeveloped countries >>.

Can't agree with that. It is specifically targeted at the developed nations who are required to "give" to undevelped countries. What would be the point of inflicting "Degrowth", "Steady State Economy", "Managed Recession" and "Resource Rationing" on nations that have none of these attributes? Sorry but you are not making sense.

You need to go back to Sustainable Development, it is definitely not the cuddly, socio-responsible, feely, touchy thing you seem to think it is.

Arjay is correct when he talks to the issue of loss of sovereignty. How else do unelected UN bodies of Regualtory Classes and Political Elites get to give Australia rules AND raise taxes we must pay them?

You are one of the best examples as of just why this topic needs a good airing.

Spindoc ,I don't think people want to see the reality.George Bush Senior initiated the concept of " New World Order".It has since been repeated on numerous occasions by little Bush,Tony Blair,Henry Kissenger, Gordon Brown and Barack Obama.To deny these leaders want a world Govt is to be an Ostrich.

Our own Labor Govt has dedicated 10% of the carbon taxes to the UN.This is how they will finance their world Govt.Bob Brown on many occasions has affirmed his belief in "Global Governance" Kevin Rudd is on the tails of the UN gravy train.Christopher Monckton at Cophagen warned of their plans for an unelected world Govt.

We have seen Bob Carr who now fratenises with Henry Kissenger turn half of NSW into a National Park.Farmers are being forced off their land with water restrictions and oppressive legislation yet coal seam gas miners can rape the land at will.

In the EU 85% of all new laws are passed by the unelected bureaucrats of the EU.We see Greece and Italy run by bankers.We see bankers get bailouts and steal money via stealth with impunity.

How much more proof do they need?