Agronimist,Just like the Manhattan Project,we don't really know what secret weapons the USA has got.I've looked at alternative theories in regards to HAARP.It produces micro waves to the power of a billion watts.It can interfer with commmunications and some say bring down satellites.Why are the Navy and Airforce in charge of an such a seemimgly innocuous project.

China and Russia clearly do not want war and we should not be encouraging the USA to be so aggressive.

For the USA to be so aggressive they must think they have a big edge.
It is better to ring alarm bells and stop war than be ignorant and fearful of being wrong.

Know the reality; http://www.globalresearch.ca/

Nurse has just been in with the medicine trolley… so I thought I'd check back here. Que, Poirot?

Here's me thinking I was supplying a two line joke – or was that really you in the wonder woman costume and mask calling me cheap? You tease, you. There are no refunds by the way, nor discounts on future services... out-calls only remember.

Before this thread falls off the list or gets diverted even more. The following link seems to validate the concerns expressed by Arjay.

Alabama has legislated to ban Agenda 21 and cites the precise issues raised by Arjay. If it is of sufficient concern to legislators in the US is seems unwise for us to dismiss at least a debate on this subject.

http://thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11592-alabama-adopts-first-official-state-ban-on-un-agenda-21

I wouldn't take much notice of what Alabama is up to spindoc. It is full of Tea Party Republicans. They like their conspracy theories with most of them being birthers.

The law is really designed as a means to stop local government from interfering with development on conservation grounds.

Agro, you really do need to start thinking for yourself and throw away the IPCC’s book of canned responses. Then you can stop being predictable and start to develop some indications that you are capable of original thought.

<< I wouldn't take much notice of what Alabama is up to spindoc. It is full of Tea Party Republicans. They like their conspracy theories with most of them being birthers. >>

Your response is direct from;
16. Motive Questioning- When sound evidence against the group is presented, members are taught to question the motivation and credibility of the presenter.
(Yep, you shoot the messenger, trivialize their contribution and accuse them of being (insert as appropriate) Full of Tea Party, Republicans, conspiracy theorists and birthers?)

20. It creates a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world and other perspectives.
(Yep, you “Tea Party, Republicans, Conspiracy theorists and birthers, Flat Earthers” have no intelligence and are mentally ill)

21. It supports extreme obsessiveness regarding the group orthodoxy, resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
(Advocates seem to devote their waking hours to finding ever more reports, research, blogs, links and opinions which are supportive of group think. It has become a true obsession.)

31. The use of thought-stopping techniques, (to shut down "reality testing" by stopping "negative" thoughts and allowing only "good" thoughts); rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism. Denial of rationalization or justification, embraces wishful thinking.
Yep, what could Alabama Senators possibly know about their legislation when they didn't check with you first?

I guess that regardless of your personal wishful thinking and opinion of why these government legislators did what they did, it must have hit you very hard to realize that they are endorsing Arjay’s points and not yours.

Ah, praise the Lord and pass the mustard. Alabama has enacted a Bill that protects them from the predations of the iniquitous Agenda 21.

The citizens of Tuscaloosa can sleep soundly in their beds tonight, thet's fer shure.

The lawyers must be rubbing their hands in glee at its wording. They'll be able to put a down-payment on that new double-wide in no time. It starts off a little slow, but comes to life in Section 1 (b):

"The State of Alabama and all political subdivisions may not adopt or implement policy recommendations that deliberately or inadvertently infringe or restrict private property rights without due process, as may be required by policy recommendations originating in, or traceable to 'Agenda 21'"

http://legiscan.com/gaits/text/645326

It wouldn't take even a moderately gap-toothed lawyer long to find some peachy material in Agenda 21 to work with.

http://www.un.org/documents/ga/conf151/aconf15126-1annex1.htm

Coupling the vague words of the Bill with the even vaguer words of Agenda 21, they'd be on a gravy-train for life.

I wonder if anyone voting the Bill through had actually read it? With or without moving their lips while doing so.

Here's another thought. The US Senate has not ratified Agenda 21, and shows no signs of doing so. Which puts Alabama SB 477 in the category of State political posturing, does it not. Nothing wrong with that of course, we do the same in Australia, but it does rather dilute its macho, AL vs. World attitude into something akin to dog-leash laws.