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Labor Gaining In Polls.

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Banjo the Beer is still on, and my shout, but bloke you know little about politics.
Abbott is the Mad Monk of the past, his past is enough.
But his present? worse.
Test me!
Without an early election he will not be leader, Gillard will not.
Now thousands of words have been put in print just here, about Slipper, how he turned evil after leaving Libs.
How Oakshot and Windsor turned evil three terms after leaving dads army the failing Nats.
Those posters ignore haveing Windsor raised to Saint status, when he as an independent, years ago, propped up a minority NSW Liberal government.
Look at this mornings press,so very many advocates of getting Slipper would not even know about Heffernans past.
He has an extremely big mouth connected to a very small brain.
He only need fill that mouth with water.
To attend a fancy dress ball as the Waragamba Dam.
A history tainted with inappropriate sexual comments this hill billy should, as Abbott says about others,have his vote rejected!
One rule for all.
Abbott the Rabbit has two views none involve truth, two heads and both empty.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 20 May 2012 3:20:12 PM
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Belly,
I have not forgotten that we will enjoy a beer together and I will shout my turn.

You may think I do not know politics, but have been around a little bit more than you and have been interested from a young age. My opinion is that it will take far more than a leadership change to pull Labor out of the bog. Surely you would not like to see your mate Shorten take the job on at present. Poor odds to win. The big issues are the Carbon tax and the illegals. Next is further blow out of the NBN and poor take up by households. Given the stuff ups to date that is likely.

The best thing for Labor now would be get an election over with and start to build again hopefully with some decent members gaining office in coming years.

Lexi,
Comon, you know darn well the boats were stopped from coming by the previous government. So don't try to make out otherwise. The Rudd Labor mob started it all againby laying out the welcome mat. 600 have died so far and the next budget is to spend over $1 billion on this, so called, humanatarion folly.

What do you mean that more asylum seekers arrive by plane that boat? Simply not true. The only time that happened was when Howard had the boats stopped. Illegal plane entries are sent packing ASAP.

You mention infastructure. Labor has not constructed a thing in 5 years, the money was simply thrown away. Billions wasted.

Yes we deserve that the current mob.
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 20 May 2012 5:29:04 PM
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Oops, last line should read. Yes, we deserve better than the current mob.

Come to think of it, if Abbott turns out to be the dissaster Belly and Lexi claim, Labor will be back in 3 years, so bring on the election.
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 20 May 2012 5:49:41 PM
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Lexi,

Stop making straw men and telling us what Abbott will do. Especially when Labor lied about what they would do.

Abbott will be a far better PM than Juliar or KRudd ever were.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 20 May 2012 6:24:43 PM
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Dear Banjo,

I'll say it again. The trend of asylum seekers to Australia
in the Howard years followed world trends. The figures
show clearly that war, civil unrest,
and persecution determine refugee out
flows rather than any deterrent policies in
destination countries such as Asutralia.

Asylum seekers continued to come by air, 4000 per annum - in the
last decade 76% of asylum seekers came to Australia by air.

It is quite clear that the major reason for the asylum seeker
numbers in the early period of the Howard government was not its own
policies but a decline in the number of asylum seekers in the
world.

When the world refugee numbers rose again in the mid 2000s, so did
the numbers coming to Australia. The Howard government
policies had only a marginal impact on the total number of
asylum seekers coming to Asutralia.

The UNHCR does not differentiate by mode of arrival - but Mr Abbott
deliberately encourages our obsession with boat people.
It's obviously good politics to focus on boat people only.

We never hear Mr Abbott admit that more asylum seekers come by air
than by boat.

The Sydney Morning Herald reported from Wikileaks that a
"key Liberal Party strategist" told a US Diplomat in Canberra
in November last year - that the issue of asylum seekers was
"fantastic" for the Coalition and "the more boats that come the
better."

That "key Liberal Party strategist" could not have been more
explicit about the political game being played.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I can't help but wonder how the moderates in your party
feel about the slide in the polls. As Joe Hockey indicated
recently - he's not prepared to make promises as treasurer
that he can't keep. It seems there's quite a big hole in
the costings.
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 20 May 2012 7:13:44 PM
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Lexi,
You must get your info direct from the green weekly and you are naive enough to believe it. Our DIAC figures do not support your assertions. You had better look them up, I have in the past and am not doing it again.

You are aware, of course, that illegal entries by air are sent back to their point of embarkation within 72 hours of arrival. There are few of these because the airlines have to bear the cost. Of the legal entries that apply for asylum, only about 30% are successfull and the balance have to leave.

You are now suggesting that the Liberals are encouraging illegal boat entry, which is totally absurd. Of course a Lib stratigist would say the illegals are good for their electoral prospects. Because the public want the boats stopped. The same as a Labor stratigist would say that a Lib failure to stop the illegals would be good for Labor. Remember Gillard mocking the Libs with "another boat, another policy failure" untill the boats were stopped. Talk about politicing the issue.

If your wild assertions were anywhere near correct Labor would be shouting it from the rooftops. Funny that Marilyn Sheperd has not got that info.

I do not believe it and neither does the Australian public.
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 20 May 2012 8:36:28 PM
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