Of course climate change is real. What I'd like explained is what was done when the last climate change came on ? Was there a Tax ? Perhaps the Dinosaurs refused to pay Carbon Tax ?
Do some of you think evolution will suddenly stop because we're here ? Or do some of you think evolution excludes climate change ?
No amount of cutting back will stop climate change. Even if Mankind were to suddenly disappear climate change would continue.
Is that so difficult to grasp ? Just because some are concerned about it doesn't mean they can do something about it. Stop fooling yourselves just accept that all Parties will come to an end. Even the Mayas knew that !

“CO2 causing anything but a very small effect”, “is right now reducing temperature”, “Satellites can't find any heat.”, “Argo buoys can't find any heat”, “Weather balloons can't find the fabled hot spot.”, “The only place any one can find any heat is in a computer”

Let's see, CO2 is conservatively responsible for about 20% of the 32C warmer our planet is at the moment because of the natural green house effect. Being conservative again let's call that 6C. In a very simple system doubling levels should give us another 6C but of course we have infrared bandwidth restrains etc so lets slice a third off that and leave it at a 4C increase which is about what is predicted and hardly a “small effect”.

Okay, that's what the physics says, now what part of that should I dismiss? I would happily believe otherwise, I mean who needs the worry right? Come on big boy, gimme what ya got, put me out of my misery, even a revelation from God might do it, seems to work a treat for the creationists.

Physics is so over-rated anyway, who needs it when you can fake the moon landings in a studio.

Csteele,

'ello, 'ello, 'ELLO!, What's All This, Then? ..... Hmmm.

<< “CO2 causing anything but a very small effect”, “is right now reducing temperature”, “Satellites can't find any heat.”, “Argo buoys can't find any heat”, “Weather balloons can't find the fabled hot spot.”, “The only place any one can find any heat is in a computer”>>

I do hope you are NOT implying that the above are from me --none of them are mine!

Nice little performance though, you touched on everything from the moon landing to creationism. But I really must drag you back to that question: what airy fairy law or insight tells you that OZ imposing a carbon tax will STOP climate change?

Dear Individual,

After decades of carelessly dumping noxious gases and
particulates into the atmosphere, most of the
industrialised societies are now enforcing clean-air
standards. This is being done because the most
far-reaching effect of air pollution is a change in
the global climate.

As a result of the burning of fuels
and wastes, and the razing of forests, the amount of
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is steadily increasing.
This gas creates a "greenhouse effect" on the planet, for
it allows solar rays to reach the earth's surface but
prevents heat from radiating back into space. The consequence
will be a global warming, which will eventually cause
the melting of the polar ice caps, a rise in sea levels, and
changes in weather patterns.

This warming effect is already under way, and average global
temperature is expected to rise by 3 to 8 degrees Fahrenheit
by 2050. This may seem like a small change, but minor
fluctuations in global temperature can have drastic
consequences. During the last ice age, when much of North
America was covered with sheets of ice more than a mile thick,
average temperature was only about 5 degrees cooler than today.

By the end of the 21st century,
global temperature may have increased
by as much as 9 degrees,
raising sea levels by ten to twelve feet,
turning tropical areas into deserts,
and creating a climate far
warmer than anything humanity has ever experienced.

Most of the climatic, agricultural and ecological patterns
that we are familiar with today would be completely disrupted,
and there is no knowing what the ultimate consequences would
be for life on the planet and for human society.

This and other atmospheric pollution is not an inevitable
outcome of industrial technology; it derives also from
political decisions to tolerate pollution rather than bear the
costs - probably including slower economic growth - of
limiting it.

The alarmists are liars.See now they are trying to turn AGW theroy into AGC. Their latest scam is proposing that warming is changing the flow of ocean currents thus cooling the planet.Why? Because the planet is moving to a cooling cycle.

It is Orwellian double speak.Warming is actually cooling. There are lies,damn lies and statistics which they have manipulated to suit their flawed theories.

Steele, Lexi, even the mob at the climate research unit, at the U of East Anglia, that bunch of con men, only claim a possible warming of 1 degree from CO2. Please go back & re do your research, & find this for your self, so you can believe it.

What they claim will give greater rise of temperature is positive feed back, from water vapor, & cloud, mostly. Unfortunately, like much of their stuff, they can produce no research to confirm this theory, & in fact have made little apparent effort to find any such evidence. Could it be that they know it doesn't exist?

However, if you make any attempt to find the truth, rather than confirm your politically induced feelings, you will find a great & rapidly growing body of evidence, that any such feed back is in fact negative.

This ties in well with the fact that there has been no warming now for about 14 years. Even the climate research unite admit this, although some try to claim it has swum deep into the ocean, while no one was looking.

Emotive stuff is all well & good when talking about the movies, not science, & csteele your understanding of physics is at about primary school level, if your last post is an example.