Pacific islands, and that it is all capitalism's fault. I want to believe that we will all fry in less than fifty years, OR all starve to death because of over-population, or all drown because of sudden sea-level rise, or some other dreadful fate. I have a dread that life might go on much the same, in spite of capitalism and its evils.

After all, even Runner would agree that humans deserve disaster, since they have constantly sought self-enrichment and comfort, and ignored - wilfully ignored - the proper teachings of Greens on the one side and churches on the other.

So that's my dilemma - I'm not convinced by the imperative for human disaster, nor by the implied means of redemption, back to a pure state of Green-ness and saintliness.

I want to believe that we are all doomed ! Please give me reason to curse humanity and predict its violent demise !

Cheers,

Joe

Mr powerless, Funny how its only American scientists, who by the way still are very religious and anyone going against the bible-belt thinkers, will quickly find their career,s very short lived.....very poor evidence indeed.

Try some real evidence that tells quite a different story......thats if you don't have a Government gun pointed to one's head:)

Now c02 buildup along with all the other gas's thats in play (like methane) that was talked above, leaves lose water via tiny holes called stomata. These need to be open to draw in carbon dioxide for photosynthesis. But if too much water is lost, the trees can shut down their stomata.

Dr Martin Bader said....( A real non influenced scientist )

"We came out on a forty-degree day and did our measurements, and realised that shortly after nine o'clock, the tree basically shut down, because at that time of the day, there was only a small opportunity where the tree could actually photosynthesise. So it can't basically eat.

The tree avoids dying of thirst, but then begins to starve. Martin had measurements on a Banksia that died just a few months ago.

Any time of day was over thirty degrees, the tree ran into pretty high stress levels, and then we had a couple of days consecutively over thirty, thirty-two degrees, and it was just too much, apparently. That tipped the tree over. Sixty or seventy per cent of the Banksias died last summer.


"Maybe you are a plant in the forum" No, Iam quite human:) Try and stay away from conspiracy theories, and "One out of 31,487 ain't so bad is it"......there must of been one Australian in there under the same threat...lol.

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Loudmouth

'After all, even Runner would agree that humans deserve disaster,'

I could not agree more Loudmouth but I am thrilled that I have received mercy rather that what I deserve.

The worst noticeable thing at the moment is, the rise in ocean temperature's. This in turn is dictating unusual weather patterns, as well as ice melt.
So just because you have not broken into a sweat in the last 60 days don't mean a thing.
A mere one degree c rise in ocean temp is causing major ice melt, and undercutting the ice shelf, and increasing in intensity.
The green house effect is the problem resulting in extra heat being stored in the ocean's.

Anybody interested in the work of Seitz and other merchants of doubt might be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Marshall_Institute and in following links therefrom. Particularly note the section headed "Conflict of interest".

Those convinced man has no influence upon world climate other than to improve it by belching out as much carbon dioxide as possible, including Seitz, the 31000 odd who signed a petition stating such, and Austin P. presumably, have my sympathy for being in such tiny minority.

579, don't you read other posts or do you just ignore them? because they don't reflect your particular faith.

Please Look at these.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/16/you-ask-i-provide-november-2nd-1922-arctic-ocean-getting-warm-seals-vanish-and-icebergs-melt/

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http://sahultime.monash.edu.au/explore.html