Dear runner,

Its fine to believe that you're on the right path -
but to believe that yours is the only path is a
different story. Goodwill towards all is true
religion.

Dear runner,

I am really quite curious as to where you make your disconnect, or your leap of faith, when it comes to man made global warming.

Is it the whole idea of the natural global warming effect? Or is it the record of CO2 increases showing the inexorable drive upward? Or could it be that you don't think these increases are man made and have a different explanation as to where all the carbon we have released through the burning of fossil fuels has gone? Or is your leap of faith like that of Hasbeen's, a commitment to believe that this mass of CO2 will have no discernible effect on global temperatures. Or like any good Fundamentalist do you dismiss science in general?

Each one requires a leap of faith that I am incapable of. For me the physics of global warming, while certainly complicated at particular levels, is really quite simple in its overall take on the issue. 

For any thinking person not making the leap of faith that you, JayB and Hasbeen indulge in it will never be a matter of dismissing the physics behind global warming that will change our minds about the future consequences, rather it will be accepting a mitigating factor that science has not thus far been able to produce. 

I for one would love to see it but it ain't here yet.

Like any faith there is a degree of comfort afforded those who believe in miracles. Perhaps this is why you three have been so vociferous in pedaling your particular brands of denial.

Anyway back to the original question, as any faith requires a disconnect of some degree I would love to know which one was yours?

csteel: For any thinking person not making the leap of faith that you, JayB and Hasbeen indulge in.
Perhaps this is why you three have been so vociferous in pedalling your particular brands of denial.

Csteel, You do me wrong. I for one have never doubted the fact of Climate Change. See my previous posts. What I do doubt is the how much influence humans have on the effect. Is it 90%, 50% 10% or 2% of CO2. The Ozone Layer & Methane or CFC's.
How much are World Governments willing to use scare tactics on you to make money for themselves, to your detriment? Governments love to use fear in their propaganda. It's what Governments do. The gullible, with their faith in World Governments, act like Chicken Little & immediately insist that the sky is falling & that we all believe it is so, as well.

Jayb1, Page 9: Please don't get me wrong. Even though I don't believe the World Governments on Climate Change, I do believe change is happening. Whether Pollution has anything to do with it is irrelevant.
I do believe that Pollution MUST be reduced, if only just for health reasons. Another reason would be to break the stranglehold of the Oil Cartels.
But a Carbon Tax is BS.

Any tax is BS. This tax will force change, no one is going to do anything about it until there is a disincentive. There is no tax on renewable power.
CO2 output can be measured, so big industry knows what the costs are going to be, so measures can be taken to eliminate or minimize the output. If they haven't done anything about it in the last 12 months, they are fools to them-self. Smaller operators have even longer lead in time. Can't be any farer than that.

csteele
'Is it the whole idea of the natural global warming effect? Or is it the record of CO2 increases showing the inexorable drive upward?'

You were obviously not around or ignore the fact that many scientist (pseudo) insisted that we were in for another ice age. This was just 40 years ago. They used the same tactics in smearing anyone who disagrees as you and others do today.

When are pseudo scientist ever going to be humble enough to admit that they can not accurately predict climate in 2 days let alone 50 years. To do damage to ones economy and drive jobs offshore on this basis is absoulutely idiotic. Even if your faith was valid the tax will make no difference to how much carbon is produced. It will just drive jobs offshore as anyone who knows the most basic economics will tell you.

Your smearing is typical of those whose theories are questioned by others. You write

'Or like any good Fundamentalist do you dismiss science in general?'

Science for many is a byword for absolute. You will find that secularist using pseudo science are even more dogmatic about their faith than many religous people.

You also ignore that many of the great scientific breakthroughs have come from those you would label 'fundamentalist'in a smearing way.

As for the man made gw religion, it is many of your own ilk (pseudo scientist) who question or debunk the nonsense given to us by the IPCC and other Government funded gravy trains.

Read Peters second epistle an you will find up when the planet is really going to burn. It will be man made then but it won't be industry that provides jobs, electricity and the comforts that we enjoy in the Western world.

plant3.1

when you wrote 'So we have mountable evidence for the facts', you obviously ignored the link I gave yesterday, http://www.petitionproject.org/, or did it not fit in with your thinking, therefore you chose not to address it? Yet you accuse those who don't agree with you as lacking in common sense?

Maybe you are a plant in the forum.