'If this is your idea of a person suitable to lead this nation, then I think I should migrate elsewhere, because I definitely DO NOT AGREE.'

Please do we have enough people willing to vote for a totally incompetent PM. One less would be welcomed. You would make a space for the thousands of illegals coming here.

Belly said;
This link rebuts Shadow Minister.
579 said;
Belly's video shows Abbott as a liar of the worst kind when it suites him.
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I have read the link and I don't see the connection to Abbott.
How does it justify your remarks ?
This is what I meant by disconnected remarks, accusations etc.
Did Abbott say he knew nothing about the accusations ?
If so where does this link show that he did know ?

That video rebuts my earlier comments. Rubbish! When have politicians ever exposed their dirty laundry. I never saw Abbott denying that Slipper was being excluded from pre selection. In fact I remember the commentary at the time was precisely on how the liberals had caused Slipper to defect by making his exclusion clear.

The facts:
1 Prior to being speaker there was not one formal complaint against Slipper.
2 At the time of Jenkins being fired, there were clear indications that all was not well with Slipper.
3 Juliar appointed Slipper in full knowledge that Slipper had some "issues" with regard abuse of entitlements.

Slipper himself was a competent politician, which is the only thing that Juliar acknowledged. Juliar failed to acknowledge that she appointed him in full knowledge of his past history.

*RehTub* I really think that it only adds to a environment of unreasonable hysteria when you clammer for an election in the absence of a legal basis, and thus is contrary in my opinion to "good governance" as expressed in the constitution.

I personally am confident that if a legal basis was to emerge in advance of the normal processes of the election cycle then indeed the matter will be able to be forced.

Why not instead advocate for an alteration of the existing rules such that what you seek may have a legal basis in the future?

I recall your thread of not so long ago when you expressed concern about the next budget bringing about too harsh a contraction economically. Did not *Christine Milne* and the *Greens* express the same thing recently?

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*Runner* my friend, I do in my PC rig also have a rip snorter little TV/Stereo radio Hauppage card hooked up to my roof top antenna and often watch the news etc concurrently to my other activities. I am happy to be corrected by someone that knows better, however, I am reasonably certain that the claim re:*Abbott's* attitude to the pursuit of the church was aired "again" only recently.

It seems clear that you do not wish to believe this and in part I can understand that however more "shiny ones" are required to assist to lift these disgustingly awful poppets out of the filth.

I note from ABC's 24 ticker tape this morning:

" ... 10 year old pleads to be released from detention. ... "

Deprivation of liberty in and of itself is a sever punishment in my view, and all members of humanity at large suffer from it when it is experienced, let alone when it is combined with no certain limits in terms of duration and in the company of distressed and disturbed individuals.

I am happy for the politicians to have a firm but fair grip on our borders, but not to the extent that it constitutes abuse. In that regard, and when considering this from the perspective of the traditions within which I was raised, it is simply unacceptable and unnecessary.

I note ASIO's public comments that they neither need people to be incarcerated nor to be held for extended periods to accomplish, in the majority of cases, the security assessments.

In amongst those who claim asylum upon arrival, I suspect that indeed there are some who would harm us, and some who need to be quarantined due to T.B. or other, and some who merely seek a better life. And of course, some are legitimate people who have fled their former abode out of legitimate concern for their well being and safety, who are not "illegals" as you put it.

So, do what must be done by all means, but do not abuse them. Neither ought you abuse your own people in incarceration by not providing appropriate medical intervention and the same goes for our shattered vets.

I would merely have our main stream politicians break free from the dark shadows of the past, and apply our laws humanely at all times when possible.

So, come on, up, up, up you go and get ahead of the black ball of spiritual evolution.

Dreamon your false accusations are of the lowest level possible

'He is of course refuse from the Church of the Rock Spider. Worse still, I believe that he has gone down on the public record expressing the view that he believes that the people in his church who covered up for pedophilia should not be pursued.''

Where is your evidence?

You are not happy to corrected as you state. You seem far more comfortable in making up lies. No wonder you support the PM.