Surely, these last set of allegations are reason enough to call an election, NOW!

What we need, more than anything, is a stable government.

I doubt even Juila can cast this one aside.

And it doesn't seem suspicious that these allegations surface just at the time that the Labor government makes a positive impact with their Aged Care Package?

Or that the Opposition is being rather hypocritical when they let him off themselves with the last lot of harassment allegations (when John Howard was PM)?

And not having been charged with anything, apparently he is not allowed to assume due process on his behalf?

Will Tony Abbott not stop at anything, or use any excuse, to bring down the government?

Can the people of Australia NOT see how dangerous it would be to have this man as our PM?

Please wake up before it is too late.

Have just read a report from a Melbourne newspaper, stating that Mr Slipper's accuser is no stranger to controversy himself. I believe this could all be a political setup so that the government will have reduced numbers.

The Coalition are frantically trying to oust the Gillard government BEFORE the Carbon Tax comes in, because they probably realise that once people find out it isn't the bogey that they have been saying it is, then the voters will turn against them.

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A former chief of staff to former prime minister John Howard, Mr Nutt is accused of trying to hush up sexual harassment allegations involving Mr Slipper dating to 2003.

According to documents filed in the Federal Court, he told a female Liberal staffer, Megan Hobson, to "forget all about it" after she brought forward allegations of inappropriate behaviour by Mr Slipper.

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Opposition Chief Whip Warren Entsch has also confirmed he alerted Mr Howard's office to Mr Slipper's erratic behaviour in late 2003. The Liberal MP said he delivered several emails that suggested a sexual relationship between Mr Slipper and another male staffer.

James Ashby, a 33-year-old adviser to Mr Slipper, is suing the Commonwealth for unspecified damages, claiming to be the victim of "unwelcome sexual advances" and "unwelcome sexual comments" from the Speaker.

Documents lodged in the Federal Court in Sydney on Friday allege Mr Nutt was made aware Mr Slipper, 62, had formed a "relationship of a sexual nature with a younger male member of staff".

Appointed the Premier's chief of staff in January, Mr Nutt has steadfastly declined to comment over his role in the Slipper affair.

But he may be called on to give evidence after being named by Mr Ashby's legal team, Harmers Workplace Lawyers, the same firm that represented Kristy Anne Fraser-Kirk in her successful suit against David Jones chief executive Mark McInnes, who resigned over the harassment claims.

According to the court documents, Mr Nutt was made aware of Mr Slipper's alleged indiscretions by Ms Hobson, who told the chief of staff she had seen a video.

Mr Slipper is alleged to have entered the bedroom of a junior male staff member via the window, laid on a bed in shorts and a T-shirt and hugged the junior male staff member in an intimate fashion.

But when the matter was brought to the attention of Mr Nutt, he told Ms Hobson to "forget all about it".

The same staff member, who still works with Mr Slipper, had also complained to Ms Hobson about alleged abuse by Mr Slipper after an electorate event on Australia Day 2003.

"Peter made advances on me and I said 'no'," the documents state.

The document further states: "The junior male staff member showed Megan Hobson scabs on his knuckles where he said he had recently hit a brick wall while defending himself against an attack by Peter Slipper during a parliamentary trip to Adelaide."

Mr Ashby's lawyers argue the Commonwealth "failed to take reasonable and effective steps to prevent (Mr Slipper) from utilising his office to foster sexual relationships with young male staff members".

Mr Nutt yesterday told the Sunday Herald Sun he would issue a comment through the press office.

But spokesman Paul Price later said: "We have nothing more to add."

All very coincidental, the PM is off overseas, and the coalition break wind of a scandal going back to 2003.
First it was Thompson, then they tried to tell the PM what she said, after reading the Australian news paper, and now Slipper.
Slippers side of the story has not been heard, but the noalition has a noos around his neck.

Prior to Slipper joining Labor as Speaker, there were no formal complaints against Slipper.

At the time that Harry Jenkins was ousted, there were some dodgy details emerging, and the Liberals had made it clear to Slipper that his political career was dead within the coalition past the next election.

None of this was a secret to Juliar when she appointed him speaker for the sole reason that she could shaft Wilkie, and she must bear the brunt of his unsavoury actions.

Between Slipper, Thomson and a litany of others, Labor looks like a refuge for sexual predators and ruffians.

It's simply too convenient that this case has appeared
at this time - when Labor is doing well. And the Budget is
about to be released.
It definitely reeks of being a set-up.

Dirty tactics for some - seem to be the norm in politics.
Especially in their desperate attempt to be Prime Minister.
But this is certainly an all time low to stoop to this level.

I can't quite work out what the offense is.
No doubt SM will fill me in , i mean tell me.

John Hewson stated that John Howard had used
Bill Heffernan "to distribute dirt to run his
agenda against individuals, "for almost as
long as I've known him."

It appears that Mr
Abbott has learned well from his mentor John Howard -
about the "politics of personal destruction."

Lexi,

What is your definition of doing well? with most despised and untrustworthy PM for decades, and polling in the toiler?

I must admit, for the coalition it seems too good to be true. Unfortunately Lexi, the man was hired when Slipper joined labor, by Labor. The harassment suit was filed by him alone.

With Thomson, this gift keeps on giving.

579, his is accused of sexual harassment and abuse of parliamentary expenses.

And that is the point.......accused.....NOT CONVICTED.

And where was their rush to ensure that a Liberal Senator stood aside when accused of shoplifting and assault, and was subsequently found GUILTY of assault, with no conviction recorded.

The hypocrisy of Abbott and Co is absolutely gobsmacking.

Abuse of expenses seems thin on the ground. He was seen giving multiple cab-charge chits to a driver on 2 occasions. This was at a time when he was entertaining foreign digs; What it doesn't say is what the car was doing after Slipper and one other person got out.
If there was multiple conveyance jobs done, on behalf of the foreign digs; The driver would be entitled to multiple chits.
Slipper says the allegation of fraud is not correct.

The staffer allegations of sexual misconduct, seems somewhat convenient, that only now it comes to life. It's not a crime to ask; Given the age difference, i say the younger bloke would have had the upper hand.
No doubt this week will shed more light on the allegations.
Parliament doesn't sit till around the may 10 mark, so it could be another faulty allegation of dire desperation from the the head monk.

Liberal senator story
- http://www.theage.com.au/national/senator-guilty-of-assault--but-in-clear-on-shoplifting-20111118-1nlxn.html
and another view
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/liberal-senator-mary-jo-fisher-arrested-for-shoplifting-assault/story-fn7q4q9f-1226100044518

Nothing I've read of Abbott's response suggests any desire for a cover up or delaying the processes. He's supported another member of the Liberal party who was going through a known rough time without as afr as I can see trying to deny or cover up events.

A world of difference between the circumstances around Mary Jo Fisher and Abbott's actions and the allegations against Craig Thompson and Peter Slipper and what I've seen of the governments handling of the Thompson case (a bit early for to have an opinion yet on how the handle things regarding Slipper).

I wasn't party to the detail at the time but it was fairly well publicised at the time Slipper left the Libs and took the speakers position that the Libs had been trying to deal with some serious concerns over his actions.

It may be political, it may be convenient but it may also be a genuine case of someone abusing a position of power with actions that most of us would be in trouble for in the workplace.

R0bert

Slipper may well be guilty.
He has done the right thing stepping aside.
An ex Liberal, more than one in sider from that side of the house says he was known for a problem in 2003.
Yet nominated as a candidate twice more.
His accuser, to A ex Liberal, sacked recently after miss behaving, in protecting Slipper, I am amused.
Liberals hid the faults of one, if they exist,and wanted the other sacked.
As for calling an election? Butcher lets not destroy the democratic process ok.
Any one concerned about 9 years of execpting this man by Liberals?

Slipper says the fraud allegation will be cleared up.
The other allegation is a civil matter and will be dealt with in the court.
All Butch wants, is somehow to link it to the carbon tax.

Dear SM,

A minor correction: -

As far as I know Mr Slipper has not joined the Labor
Party. He would have stayed in the Liberal Party -
however Mr Abbott simply wouldn't have him in the
Liberal Party after Mr Slipper applied for the job that he
wanted - that of Speaker. I believe that Mr Slipper
is now an Independent.

As far as the charges against Mr Slipper are concerned.
I am sure that the truth will come out. As the Prime
Minister said today - Mr Slipper is right to have
stepped aside while an investigation proceeds - and we
all should respect his right to due process.

cont'd ...

I wonder why Mr James Hunter Ashby did not report
Mr Slipper to the proper authorities sooner if he
found the man's alleged actions so offensive?

In the David Jones case - the woman had gone to
David Jones Department Heads - and reported the matter.
Also - why would you in this case - stay on in the job and collect
texts - unless you had another agenda. It sounds
like there's more to this than meets the eye.

I've also Googled - James Hunter Ashby and it appears
that he's not new to controversy.

NB, you must be very nieve to think that this, the largest carbon tax in the world, will simply, slip in, un noticed.

On top of this tax, the desiel rebates for truckies and farmers is set to go, 19c per litre may not sound like much, but when one has a fuel bill of $20,000 per month, that's going to hurt, real bad.

You supporters of this carbon tax live in a dilutional state of mind, as it will hurt, and hurt bad.

Your lot also suggested the new IR laws would have little to no negative effect, well hello!

As for the slipper issue, I offer no opinion on whether he's gilty or not, but what I do know is that this government is in tatters and we need an election to get some stability.

Now if Julia and your beloved labor party ar so good at what they do, then what's all the fuss about. Or perhaps your just in dinal, as you know that they have lost their way.

Blind Freddie knows that this hung parliament is a farce. No matter who is in power.

That's why we need an election now.

Dear rehctub,

NO - WE don't need an election now.

The Opposition does!

And they will use whatever weapons they can
to achieve that end.

Hopefully the PM will not fall for it and will
simply get on with the job of governing.

...Slipper should continue to keep his slippers under his wife's bed. The problem with this country is rampant homosexuality, Slipper is poised to reinforce that theory by example!

Lexi,

I never said Slipper had joined the labor party, just that he had joined Labor. As he is Speaker he is technically not an independent, as he has forfeited the right to vote on behalf of the government, and does not sit on the cross benches.

Sexual harassment is a civil matter not criminal, and Ashby has taken the appropriate action. Does an indiscretion a decade ago void his right to justice?

This like the Thomson case stinks to high heaven, and a PM with an ounce of integrity would not have him sitting in one of the highest offices in parliament on behalf of Labor.

This is going to taint Labor for decades. A fresh election would be the honourable thing, but as we all know Juliar does not have a shred of integrity, and believes in power at any cost.

Oakshott and Windsors idea of fair, open and accountable Government. Tick tick tick. Seems like only 579, Lexi and two more people in Australia believe that this disgusting Government is doing well. Even Belly has a little balance.

I do however, now see that Slipper in spite of Juliar's wishes has done the correct thing and stepped aside. It would be amazing if Juliar would do the honourable thing and send Thomson to the cross benches.

Dear SM,

Another correction :-

Mr Slipper is an Independent Member of the House of Reps,
representing the Division of Fisher, Queensland. He
became an Independent upon his election as Speaker in
2011.

As for your questioning the integrity of the Prime Minister,
coming from you, who is a one-eyed supporter of Mr Abbott
and the Liberal Party - that is quite charming.
Reminds me of all the charm and wit of three men -
Larry, Curly, and Moe!

Dear runner,

You have some funny ideas about "balance," as we all
know from your posts on so many issues.

The reason Rob Oakeshott never took the position as speaker, was because he would no longer be independent, and his vote would be permanently tied to Labor.

Juliar in supporting and protecting Thomson has made her lack of integrity clear, as she did when she did nothing to remove Slipper. Her dirty deal with Slipper has come back to bite her on the Rs, cementing her position of untrustworthiness in the voter's minds.

Federal labor has all the hallmarks of NSW labor before it collapsed. Corrupt and incompetent.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/04/22/1226335/663835-120423-bill-leak.jpg

This sums it up splendidly.

You labor supporters (die hards) amaze me (belly excluded) in that you simply will not accept that our curent parliament is quite simply, unworkable.

As for 579's comment about me linking this to the carbon tax, he/she knows full well I was responding to another poster on that topic.

Talk about desperation.

We all know where all the desperation is coming from Butch. State and federal issues are 2 different things. NSW is now without med services after dark.
CN doesn't know what to do next. 4% unemployment unheard off.
Julia now has an orchid named in her honor.
And all you are interested in is the carbon tax.
When will you say anything positive.
The noalition is desperately trying to hang something on the govt; after a disastrous week of trying to talk economics.
Keep both eyes open and you may see something.

...I want to know where the "illustrious" Bob Katter is in all this!

Labor are finished.We need a new Party based on Ron Paul's Libertariarn Philosophy.ie Smaller Govt and freedom for individuals.Enough is enough.

All the feminist who claimed things would be better with a woman pm and feminist stacked cabinet have egg all over their face with the most corrupt Federal Government we have seen. The sisterhood still stick together in these times. Hopefully they are headed the same way as Keneally and Bligh.

Dearest Lexi,

Yes, we can see Abbott's hands all over this - the Labor Party is as pure as the driven snow, anybody can see that if they want to.

And anyway, it's not illegal for one bloke wanting to root another, they are both over 18. Slipper hasn't committed any crime there.

As for his rorting of travel allowances, with trips all over Sydney at odd times, what about the Liberal Senator who tried to shop-lift ? What about that, Mr Abbott ?

And both Slipper and Thomson are completely, utterly, innocent until they have been proven guilty in a proper court. Until that time they are both entitled to the presumption of innocence.

And anyway, what about that case years ago, when a Liberal - Liberal, Mr Abbott ! - MP tried to bring in a Paddington Bear without paying tax on it - what about that ? An MP trying to evade tax - despicable ! But what can you expect from a Liberal ?

And allegations that Thomson spent hundreds of thousands of hospital workers' dollars on prostitutes also have to be proven. Just because Abbott says so, doesn't make it so. And anyway, what about that Liberal MP pushing a security guard away - isn't that comparable ?

Not so cocky now, Mr Abbott !

579, there is nothing positive about this tax.

I will go on record right here, right now, and say, this tax will be crippling.

Of cause, labor, as usual, will find something else to blame.
After all, they have rung the neck out of the GFC excuse.

So, Shadow Minister, Julia Gillard wants to hang on to power at any cost, eh? How about the fact that Tony Abbott would do ANYTHING TO GET IT! No comment about that, eh?

As for integrity, Julia Gillard has shown more dignity and composure, despite all that has been thrown at her (both politically and personally), than Tony Abbott could even dream about.

There is one thing for certain, I would NEVER vote for the Coalition while the "Pitbull of Politics" is in charge of them.

Continued
The tax is only part of it.

On top of this huge impost, businesses have to find additional funds for the removal of the diesel rebate as well.

A rebate is not a forever event.
I bye diesel and get no rebate.
The carbon tax will be on your power bill and cost around 1.5 to 1.8 c/kwh depends on which state you live. Those of us that pay no power will pay no cost.
Butch had best keep his eye on CN, now that qld is not the smart state any more.
The coalition in vic is not the coalition that was voted for. Money being ripped from education and medical is not the way to go

NB,

Abbott does have limits to what he will do for power. Juliar appears not to. She sold out the electorate with her promises to the greens and Wilkie.

As for your vote, I doubt if there would be anything the coalition could do to get your vote, and I don't think they will try. They will just rely on the 56% 2pp they have now.

NellsBells,

I defer to a far superior satirist :)

Cheers,

Joe

SM I am humming a tune dedicated to you.
Oldy but Goldy, please not as the love song it is meant to be.
Just joy, *I GET A KICK OUT OF YOU*
Slipper was endorsed by your mob was it 9 times?
He is the one vote Abbott won by.
He was first seen as a problem in 2003?
Not a whisper! even an under the breath grunt! from your MOB well known keeper of our country's morals.
Tiny Tony Abbott!
Goodonya bloke! such fun!
OH while we are at it!Tiny Tony was seen peddling his dinky to work this morning singing?
every thing is beautiful, in its own way!

'Slipper was endorsed by your mob was it 9 times?' Could you imagine the homophobic claims from the abbottphobic had Abbott brought this subject up.

I invite all you labor die hards to do one small thing.

CHECK THE POLES.

The people want an election, you can remain in denial as long as you like, but the reality is, your lot are done and dusted.

I doubt even a change of leader can save them, a they are victims of their own incompetence.

Many of us knew that, just not quite enough though, although I will bet they do now.

But don't worry, our lot will ONCE AGAIN go about cleaning up the mess left behind.

After all, that is what they are good at, collecting money, not wasting it by the billions, time and time again.

I just wonder f federal labor can make a cricket team at the next election, QLD didn't.

Sure,
Let's have an election every time a poll indicates a possible change of government - or maybe every 6 months or so, regardless - just to keep governments on their toes.

Let's become a nation of reactionary loonies and bend to the will of whatever interest group is making the most noise or has the deepest pockets.

Whatever happened to "Governments should always run their full course" and "the threat of an early election" when the shoe was on the other foot?

What I find interesting is how "Slippery Pete" was only flagged for a possible loss of Liberal pre-selection AFTER the media submitted an FOI request about his Cabcharge vouchers LAST YEAR, in relation to the Craig Thomson affair.

If this wasn't done, Slipper would probably still be under Abbott's protective umbrella and voting for him in leadership ballots.

Why wasn't this shocking information released then and why weren't charges laid until last week (and at who's request)?

Why wait until 2 weeks before the Budget session to pretend to "suddenly" become aware of the situation and shift his behaviour away from his original party (who sponsored and supported him) to the ALP?

Maybe Gillard should do what Howard did for Mal Colston and have the charges dropped in return for political support, or would that be unethical?

Maybe Slipper should hand his government phone card to a member of his family and get them to call everybody for support on his behalf.

One thing as bad as dishonesty is hypocrisy, both private and professional.

I hope that if Slipper is put into a no-win situation, he tips buckets onto people on BOTH sides of the house and flushes out all the crooks for everybody to see.

I am amazed at how vicious the anti Abbott people are becoming.
They are saying he is this & that without anything behind it.

Things such as "It will be a disaster if he becomes PM !".
Disconnected comments like that.
My daughter in law talks like that but when pressed all she can do is
repeat someone elses disconnected statements.

I can understand to some extent, but it does show a high level of desperation.

Now *Runner* whilst we can both likely agree to disagree on more issues than not, I have not pride to the extent that I am unable to commend you on a few things. These are, if I have not misinterpreted:

1. that you have disowned your old church

2. that you are opposed to pornography and all forms of sexual exploitation

& 3. That pursuant to your *Christ Concept* you are appalled by the abuse of children, in whatever form that it takes, and believe it would be a good thing to see the perpetrators tracked down and severely punished.

If those 3 points are essentially correct in relation to you than on these things we can agree.

..

What I do not yet comprehend, is why it is that you appear to offer unconditional support to *Abbott?*

He is of course refuse from the Church of the Rock Spider. Worse still, I believe that he has gone down on the public record expressing the view that he believes that the people in his church who covered up for pedophilia should not be pursued.

And of course, regardless of the circumstances leading up to the arrival of children on boats, the salient issue of how we treat them once they are here remains does it not?

In the case of *Abbott* of his own word he will continue to treat them in such a manner as to continue to produce serious adverse medical outcomes, a fact about which has been medically evidenced.

Thus, there seems to me to be a problem where the Christed emanation of your Heart is failing to gain expression because of some blockage in your head.

Are you able to consider reconciling this apparent contradiction for us that we may understand you better?

DreamOn,

'He is of course refuse from the Church of the Rock Spider. Worse still, I believe that he has gone down on the public record expressing the view that he believes that the people in his church who covered up for pedophilia should not be pursued.'

Really Dreamon. Where has Abbott expressed the view that paedophiles should not be pursued by the law? Is this some low form of slander by someone with Abbottphobia or do you have proof of this? I suspect Abbott is much more likely to have paedophiles brought to justice than the Labour/Greens/Independants will to bring men who use workers money to pay for prostitutes and debauchery. Besides the willingness to use young girls bodies the misuse of cleaners money has all but been condoned by a Government who refuses to open their eyes. Or was it young men that the credit card was used for?

"I am amazed at how vicious the anti Abbott people are becoming".

They don't even come close to the "Juliar, witch, bitch, scrag" Gillard name callers and haters club. Even Howard didn't get the same degree of relentless personal abuse.

I get all sorts of vicious spam including faked documents alleging that she was a lesbian during her Uni days.

I'm not against legitimate political comment but most of what I see about Gillard is usually highly personalised and just plain nasty.

That sort of approach says a lot more about the commentators than it says about their targets.

Legitimate comments about Abbott should be on not only what he says but also what he has done in the past.

Belly,

All that came out on Slipper prior to 2011 were minor issues and rumors. They were enough for him to lose the position of parliamentary secretary, and in 2011 when more serious stuff came up for him to lose pre selection.

It was Juliar who even knowing this welcomed him to a top labor position with open arms. And everything that is before the court is from then. Seeing how Juliar protected a crook like Thomson, Slippery must have thought it was open season.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/13499335/slipper-aide-uncomfortable-court-docs/
This link rebuts Shadow Minister.
It highlights a truth that should fill us all with fear.
Much of Slippers wrongs, are under heaps and years of cover ups put there by generations of Liberals.
A dreadful truth is emerging.
This country, fed by lies hate, constructed events, will vote not for policy's.
Not for our future, but against our two dysfunctional unloved leaders.
I firmly will be voting against Abbott's team who refuse to take control of this mans past, one they hid, but want his blood for ?
Any fleeing to the greens is unwise I will try every thing to sideline them but if given a choice would put Liberal lies before them in preferences.
SM?

Of cause we shouldn't have an election every time them polls are bad, but let's all be honest here, they are not just bad they are shocking and have been for months now.

Now, you combine this with the lies, and Labors track record of waste and mismanagement, combined with the CT cove up, and yes, we need to make an exception now and call an election.

A sitting government in the 20's to low 30's, for months on end, is grounds for an election.

Now it's not just the numbers, but the other numbers that also count, they being the smallest of majorities any government can have, essentially relying on the caretaker speaker for support.

If ever there were a period in our history where we have an unworkable government, it is right here and now.

This is why we need an election.

No if you Gillard supporters think she is so good, then why worry, or are you actually admitting to the fact that they are doomed.

Belly's video shows Abbott as a liar of the worst kind when it suites him.
The man is dangerous desperado, with little to no regard for the nation.
Those calling for an election, all based on unproven allegations, need to have a good look around, this sets the stage for untold challenges unlike never before.
Since 2003 the coalition have had a secret, and covered it up to their advantage, and now they still want the advantage even knowing they covered it up for 9 years. No doubt there is still plenty to come.
There is rumbling in the background with Turnbull Hockey and one other, at odds with Abbott.
Some see poll ratings as the everything of politics, when Labor are doing major reform, all Abbott can do is play the negative game.

So to some, those who are opposed to Tony Abbott amount to mindless idiots with no real reason for their beliefs, eh?

Well, here's a reason for you. This man has one of the most volatile mouths I have ever heard drivel come out of. He has the capacity to verbally insult many other nations and have them turn against us. He couldn't even resist making a joke out of a disaster (the Costa Condordia).

If this is your idea of a person suitable to lead this nation, then I think I should migrate elsewhere, because I definitely DO NOT AGREE.

Please, please, please, DON’T call an election!

Rehctub, if an election were to be held in the near future, we’d get an Abbott government, with a clear majority for three years, at least.

Now, do you really think the country would be better off with this??

Trouble is; the polls indicate who the preferred PM/government is out of two highly on-the-nose options. That doesn’t mean people support the Libs. Not by a long way.

What we need is a way of getting a realistic analysis of just what each party offers and the differences between them….and the Greens too…out to the people so that they have a reasonable basis on which to make their choice.

Currently it is all about personalities, who is the least dishonest leader, and for some people a very rough idea about one or policy positions.

That’s a HOPELESS basis on which to elect a government!

'If this is your idea of a person suitable to lead this nation, then I think I should migrate elsewhere, because I definitely DO NOT AGREE.'

Please do we have enough people willing to vote for a totally incompetent PM. One less would be welcomed. You would make a space for the thousands of illegals coming here.

Belly said;
This link rebuts Shadow Minister.
579 said;
Belly's video shows Abbott as a liar of the worst kind when it suites him.
>

I have read the link and I don't see the connection to Abbott.
How does it justify your remarks ?
This is what I meant by disconnected remarks, accusations etc.
Did Abbott say he knew nothing about the accusations ?
If so where does this link show that he did know ?

That video rebuts my earlier comments. Rubbish! When have politicians ever exposed their dirty laundry. I never saw Abbott denying that Slipper was being excluded from pre selection. In fact I remember the commentary at the time was precisely on how the liberals had caused Slipper to defect by making his exclusion clear.

The facts:
1 Prior to being speaker there was not one formal complaint against Slipper.
2 At the time of Jenkins being fired, there were clear indications that all was not well with Slipper.
3 Juliar appointed Slipper in full knowledge that Slipper had some "issues" with regard abuse of entitlements.

Slipper himself was a competent politician, which is the only thing that Juliar acknowledged. Juliar failed to acknowledge that she appointed him in full knowledge of his past history.

*RehTub* I really think that it only adds to a environment of unreasonable hysteria when you clammer for an election in the absence of a legal basis, and thus is contrary in my opinion to "good governance" as expressed in the constitution.

I personally am confident that if a legal basis was to emerge in advance of the normal processes of the election cycle then indeed the matter will be able to be forced.

Why not instead advocate for an alteration of the existing rules such that what you seek may have a legal basis in the future?

I recall your thread of not so long ago when you expressed concern about the next budget bringing about too harsh a contraction economically. Did not *Christine Milne* and the *Greens* express the same thing recently?

..

*Runner* my friend, I do in my PC rig also have a rip snorter little TV/Stereo radio Hauppage card hooked up to my roof top antenna and often watch the news etc concurrently to my other activities. I am happy to be corrected by someone that knows better, however, I am reasonably certain that the claim re:*Abbott's* attitude to the pursuit of the church was aired "again" only recently.

It seems clear that you do not wish to believe this and in part I can understand that however more "shiny ones" are required to assist to lift these disgustingly awful poppets out of the filth.

I note from ABC's 24 ticker tape this morning:

" ... 10 year old pleads to be released from detention. ... "

Deprivation of liberty in and of itself is a sever punishment in my view, and all members of humanity at large suffer from it when it is experienced, let alone when it is combined with no certain limits in terms of duration and in the company of distressed and disturbed individuals.

I am happy for the politicians to have a firm but fair grip on our borders, but not to the extent that it constitutes abuse. In that regard, and when considering this from the perspective of the traditions within which I was raised, it is simply unacceptable and unnecessary.

I note ASIO's public comments that they neither need people to be incarcerated nor to be held for extended periods to accomplish, in the majority of cases, the security assessments.

In amongst those who claim asylum upon arrival, I suspect that indeed there are some who would harm us, and some who need to be quarantined due to T.B. or other, and some who merely seek a better life. And of course, some are legitimate people who have fled their former abode out of legitimate concern for their well being and safety, who are not "illegals" as you put it.

So, do what must be done by all means, but do not abuse them. Neither ought you abuse your own people in incarceration by not providing appropriate medical intervention and the same goes for our shattered vets.

I would merely have our main stream politicians break free from the dark shadows of the past, and apply our laws humanely at all times when possible.

So, come on, up, up, up you go and get ahead of the black ball of spiritual evolution.

Dreamon your false accusations are of the lowest level possible

'He is of course refuse from the Church of the Rock Spider. Worse still, I believe that he has gone down on the public record expressing the view that he believes that the people in his church who covered up for pedophilia should not be pursued.''

Where is your evidence?

You are not happy to corrected as you state. You seem far more comfortable in making up lies. No wonder you support the PM.

*Runner* I am not making up lies as you allege as I have no need and no desire to do so.

The matter of *Abbott's* opposition to going after those who covered up for pedophiles and allegedly knowingly shifted them from parish to parish, thereby inflicting more tragedy on the innocent and unsuspecting, has now more than once been aired publicly that I recall and has not been denied to date that I am aware of.

Certainly, in addition to this, if *Abbott* has a concern about these affairs I have not heard him advocate for pursuing them and holding them to account as you would reasonably expect to be the lot of anyone who is alleged to have committed such heinous deeds.

Further, as anyone familiar with my views would note, I am certainly no fan of the ALP either, as they too in my view are guilty of abusing people including children.

Because of your apparent mental blocks in this regard, you rapidly deteriorate into irrationale and illogical accusations which have no basis in fact.

As to the evidence, again, I am sure that I have heard it with my own ears as broadcast on free to air television. I could of course seek additional information (time permitting) but as their has been no denial in response to that which has been publicly aired, I consider that it is highly likely to be true, and a sad indictment of the mainstream media that they have not as yet rammed the point home like a stake through his black heart.

It seems that it is difficult for you to accept this as it is contrary to your belief, but as for me as I am now, I largely do not waste time and effort attaching belief in the absence of fact and consequently do not experience as much psychic trauma as perhaps you do.

Dream on, now is not the time to be worrying about a budget surplus.

With thousands either loosing thei jobs, or feeling very insecure about their jobs, government projects a what is needed.

BUT!, they must be administered by competent people, something this government is very very short of.

Dreamon is a good moniker for you. For starters this thread is about the shocking behaviour of Peter slipper, not for you to air your all encompassing view on everything. You spout fantasies and dismiss any need to give a shred of evidence for your rambling pontification, as if your words are like a shaft of golden light whilst all around is darkness.

Please mention where Abbott has opposed pursuing paedophiles, or even better, where any Labor politician has done more.

The best I can say is that I believe that you believe it.

OK SM, this thread is about Peter Slipper, with the odd reference to Craig Thomson thrown in.

Something to think about for all those so-called "Christians" out there who are baying for the blood of both these men.

They have family members who are being constantly subjected to the abuse and, as yet, unproven accusations against Mr Slipper and Mr Thomson. I believe your illustrious leader of the noalition is supposed to be a practising Catholic.

Isn't the basis of Christianity supposed to be one of judge not lest ye be so judged? Give the families of these men a break and give due process a chance. After all, the families are NOT the politicians, and deserve to be able to live their lives regardless of the accusations against the two men.

NellsBells

'Something to think about for all those so-called "Christians" out there who are baying for the blood of both these men.'

Oh so its alright for the atheist and darwinist and unbelievers to call for the resignation of men using workers money to pay for prostitutes but not Chritians. Not only do you display Abbottphobia but also Christophobia. I thought Darwin dogma was not suppose to discrimminate.

Runner. It is not illegal to pay prostitutes with a credit card, it's a matter of if the prostitute was an agreed commodity.
If the prostitute was for personal use, it would have been appropriate for him to reimburse his credit card with the amount paid for prostitute.
Now do you know which circumstance that was ?.
We can not be seen to behave like animals, because of accusations.
Thompson's accusations are remote as he has not been a union head for years., and there are bigger fish to fry.
Until accusations become proven facts it is not appropriate to assume guilt, of any one.

Hi 579,

Yes, Thomson is innocent until proven guilty. In any case, it's not always a crime to pay out hundreds of thousands of dollars for prostitutes. And you imply, yes, in a sense, as time passes, the impact of a crime lessens, doesn't it ? So by now, whatever 'crime' he might have committed years ago has now faded, almost to insignificance. Those hospital cleaners have nothing to complain about.

And yes, Slipper has every right to root some other bloke if he is willing - that's not a crime either these days. And Slipper's travel chits may be quite genuine - he might have had legitimate business all over Sydney at all odd times, I don't see anything wrong with that.

So both of these men might be completely innocent of any of the disgusting accusations that Abbott - Abbott ! - might make about them incessantly. Clearly, this is all a put-up job by the Liberals: to find some tiny, minor issue and inflate it like this. But do they think that everybody has forgotten about that Liberal MP who tried to smuggle in a colour-TV, back in the eighties ?

So we know the real culprit in all of this:

Abbott !

Nellsbells,

Trying the pity card! Really! I don't see anyone here or on the news having a go at the families of Thomson or Slipper. The stench surrounding them and the Labor party is entirely of their doing, and Juliar's lack of integrity.

As far as proof is concerned, the proof against Thomson is pretty much iron clad, the only reason he is not languishing in jail appears to me because his union cronies in FWA have blocked any prosecution of him.

As for Slipper, a civil case does not require proof beyond reasonable doubt, and Ashby would be liable for huge costs if he could not show substantial corroborating evidence. That he has launched a court case with the texts forensically tested shows that he certainly thinks that he has a winner.

579,

What you suggested would have been legal. However, signing it off as a legitimate business expense is what makes it fraud. The withdrawal of about $100 000 for personal use is also theft.

Regarding Slipper, sleeping with a male colleague is inappropriate, being a sex pest is illegal.

Hi again 579,

I'm slow today. Your comment, that -

" .... If the prostitute was for personal use, it would have been appropriate for him to reimburse his credit card with the amount paid for prostitute."

- apart from what other use a prostitute may offer besides 'personal use', we have Thomson's word that somebody else, looking exactly like him, used his credit card, forged his signature exactly, showed what looked like his driver's licence and put all his papers and cards back in place from where they had been stolen.

And that - as you suggest - on every one of those many occasions where he, Thomson, actually used prostitutes, he paid for their 'personal use' with his own money, his own credit card, as any honest man would. I think we should leave it at that and just leave him alone to get on with his pre-selection battle.

Cheers,

Joe

I think all you can hope for is to brand Slipper a bully.
Thompson's evidence is all circumstantial, and in a few years when they wade through all of the concerns, we may hear an outcome one way or another.
Yes there was a matter of a TV, colour as well, but that was a civil matter.
When we get some policies from the opposition of what they stand for we can begin to make some judgement on who is best for this country.
There was an attempt at something resembling economics last week, but there seemed to be some confusion.
Who knows there could be another try this week.

579,

Your denials shows why Labour in NSW, QLD, WA and Federally is totally on the nose. You are not a member are you? Even Belly has had to concede the obvious.

It appears from your pathetic attempt at rebuttle that the truth hurts *Shadow Minister*

Posted by DreamOn:

" ... Worse still, I believe that he has gone down on the public record expressing the view that he believes that the people in his church who covered up for pedophilia should not be pursued. ... "

Additionally, and as is well known, with supporting testimony from the A.M.A. and others, that both the slime in the LNP and the ALP lock up children (and others) without charge or trial, who enter healthy, and in more than a few cases, emerge medically traumatised and damaged, at a huge cost to the tax payers which in the case of those deemed legitimate *Asylum Seekers* ends up with them on sickness and or disability support payments for extended periods, not to mention the burden on the hospital and medicare system.

As this has gone on for so long, it clearly constitutes the "knowing and deliberate infliction of mental harm" for which the ugly Australian guvment and the previous one has been strongly criticized by the U.N. and eminent N.G.O.'s alike, amongst others.

The people responsible are filth, as are those who advocate for the continuance of what clearly constitutes child abuse.

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As for this thread, no it is not about *Peter Slipper* but is rather another call for an election without a legal basis and thereafter, to broaden the debate in relation to the character of *Abbott* is not unreasonable in my view.

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*NellsBells*

Real Christians do not abuse children, regardless of whose they are, unlike the majority in the ALP and LNP.

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*Slipper* can sleep with whoever he likes if they are also willing and of age and there is nothing inappropriate about that. Your desperate clutching at straws and defence of those who abuse children speaks volumes about you *Shadow Minister* And of course, if you are not a *Shadow Minister* as you have previously claimed, perhaps your handle would be more correct if you added "pee bucket carrier", like politicians of old also retained.

Dreamon,

A piece of advice, don't smoke a fat one before posting, then maybe your posts will show some coherence and logic. P.S. quoting yourself is pathetic.

Now that Wilkie, Oakeshott and Windsor have withdrawn support for Slipper as speaker, it looks as though he will be unable to return as Speaker any way.

"PETER Slipper's ambition to serve as a parish priest could still be realised, despite the sex and fraud scandals engulfing him, the leader of Australia's Traditional Anglican Communion affirmed yesterday."

Not only is this Slip up a general nutter, but he's a religious nutter as well. It says it all, does it not. On one side of the chamber we have the crazy Abbott and his band of mad monks, the Catholic loonies on the other side are now joined by the perverted priest! Who said politics and religion don't mix.
Bob please don't retire, stay and save the country!

<<Not only is this Slip up a general nutter, but he's a religious nutter as well>>

The only difference between a “religious nutter” and a green nutter is that one will malign, manipulate or murder in defense of their creed, and the other, will do similar in defense of their God… with Bob Brown currently undergoing something of a deification it’s a little hard to tell which is which!

Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik on Wednesday slammed a psychiatric report that declared him insane as based on “evil fabrications” meant to portray him as irrational and unintelligent.

“It is not me who is described in that report,” the right-wing extremist, said in court. 'irrational' and 'unintelligent' he must think they have confused him with some would be right wing politician from Australia.

Lets call an election. Any chance the Norwegians would let this bloke off so he could come to OZ and run for PM. I sure there are plenty here from the crazy right who would vote for him, he would be spot on with their thinking on immigration. Could even recycle the Joh for PM campaign.

Joh is out there cheering on C Newman with his power price reform , it's only gonna cost more, and the govt 60 million $
He should have seen the benefits of Bligh's equation before making a liar out of himself.
4% unemployment has got to be a joke.
Like the coalition it's all easy, until you try to do better.

'On one side of the chamber we have the crazy Abbott and his band of mad monks, the Catholic loonies on the other side are now joined by the perverted priest'

Oh is that right Paul 1405. You now call adult homosexuality 'perverted'. How quickly you have changed your mind.

Runner, Its my belief all priests are perverted dictionary meaning 'turned from what is right; wicked; misguided; distorted.' One has to be perverted to be a priest, in my view. Where did you get the homosexual thing from, I do not consider all homosexuals to be perverted,although some could be, do you? Why did you link homosexuality with perversion? I consider the bloke from Norway to be perverted, but I don't know if he is homosexual, in fact I don't know anything about his sexual orientation at all, but still think he is perverted, 'turned from what is right; wicked; misguided; distorted.'
Over to you.

Paul 1405

Oh I see it was not Slipper's alleged offenses you were calling perverted. Its because he is a 'priest'.

You write

'Its my belief all priests are perverted '

Your bigotry knows no limits. Not surprising from a secularist with no moral compass.

Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 26 April 2012 3:02:52 AM

*DreamOn*

" ... A piece of advice, don't smoke a fat one before posting, then maybe your posts will show some coherence and logic. P.S. quoting yourself is pathetic. ... "

More unsubstantiated opinion I see *Shadow* I suspect that it is because deep down you find my argument re:abuse compelling that you react as you do.

I recall that even *John Howard* expressed inner conflict over this and I suspect that even *Abbott* does too. As said on other occasions, I do not find him to be entirely devoid of merit however, this behavior must stop in my view, and until such time as it does and I remain able, then you may expect to be verballed by me, amongst others.

It is not such an onerous burden to desist from the abusive practices and those responsible would do us all proud to rise to the occasion.

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I note more riots in at least one of the detention facilities in recent days which I have not seen reported, and that only one door and alleged inadequate security stands between the admin staff and distressed "inmates."

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As for *Slipper* I agree that he should step aside until both matters are resolved.

If the ALP cabinet has requested that he only stand aside for one and not the other, then I think a "leak" ought be considered.

As for *Thompson* well, I have to agree that this is farcical and hope that more than sabre rattling, departments all across the board will be legislatively upgraded in the future to minimise the likelihood of this happening again.

Dream on,

I don't find any part of your unsubstantiated opinion or abuse compelling.

When KRudd took power, there were 4 boat people in detention and no children. All your bile and venom should then be reserved for Labor.

I see that Bill Shorten is now trying for a cover up to suppress the Tembe report (which is reportedly going to supply serious dirt on Williams and Thompson) by taking direct control of the union.

You really are rather slow aren't you *Shadow* and as blinkered in your blind faith support of the LNP as is *Runner*

I am least able to make positive comment on certain aspects of LNP policy, but that does not include their child abusing penchant.

The abuse was, is and no doubt if things do not change will be continued by the ALP and the LNP alike against children. It is not abuse to state my views of those responsible in an unflattering way, as it is merely "calling a spade a spade."

It really does sicken me when the likes of these abusers and their supporters like you express the view that you are worthy of respect and being spoken to politely.

As for your claimed facts, a think you better return with your tail between your legs for another top up in your bucket to help you get your facts straight.

Suffice to say that I know more than one person who works on the inside of these facilities, have visited them myself in the past and can confidently state that as bad as what we see reported is, it is but the tip of the iceberg.

Only a fool would delude themselves into believing that they could accurately predict on a case by case basis what a legitimate *Asylum Seeker* needs to do in order to save themselves and get out and in that they are deserving of our support if we choose to remain in the convention.

Otherwise, I would again simply suggest that the mainstream politicians as a majority merely need to withdraw, instead of bringing this country into further international disrepute, and in that regard I note the recent news that the ugly guvment are now again in open defiance of the UN.

Have the courage of your convictions and simply withdraw from those instruments etc that you are not willing to wholly implement into local law.

Cleaning out the HSU is probably a good move, seeing someone has pointed the finger at the head female there.
At least it would put the union back to some sanity, while this can be unraveled.

Can Do has now scrapped a programe to save people 480 $ / yr on power.
Power is now going to be $ 600 / yr worse off.
He was supposed to save people money on power, but it just got a whole lot worse.

579, it took labor 20 odd years to ruin QLD. I doubt CN can fix it in 20 days.

Runner, I did hope you would answer my questions
I do not consider all homosexuals to be perverted,although some could be, do you?
and
Why did you link homosexuality with perversion?

As for priests I said: "Its my belief all priests are perverted dictionary meaning 'turned from what is right; wicked; misguided; distorted.' One has to be perverted to be a priest," Its my view that all priest, and I have met a few of em', exhibit some or all of the defined qualities of perversion, to varying degree. Some may be no more than misguided and turned from what is right, others however are wicked and distorted. I fail to see how that is being bigoted. If I was to say its my view that outlawed bikie gang members are perverted, would I be bigoted for saying that?

DO,

According to your measure of child abuse, the coalition had no children in detention or dying at sea in 2007. The real abusers who get children on the boats to die at sea would be the greens and Labor. It is sickening that you support such child abuse. Look at the footage of children drowning off Christmas Island and you see the child abuse of the greens and Labor.

By your own measure, I haven't seen a direct quote from Juliar or Bob Brown that the Catholic church must be pursued for child abuse, thus both of them must support paedophilia.

You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you.

Should a civil court case be suffice for a parliamentarian to stand aside until cleared up, and what if the case is proven. Does the parliamentarian then resume work.
The allegations have come from a man that has mistakenly said in court that Slipper was seen handing over blank chits for cab fares.
The same man is accusing slipper of sexual harassment. Sex is not a crime and it is not a crime to ask for sex. The rest is allegatory evidence. Sexual harassment is a crime, how can this be proven, when the complainant made his situation clear, there was no more text's.
Should the complainant have made his situation clear earlier, rather than ignore text messages

579,

Your ignorance of sexual harassment legislation is breath taking. The CEO of David Jones was suspended and then dismissed for far less, and DJ paid out nearly $1m to the complainant.

The boss/employee or doctor/patient, teacher/student relationships are not one where power is evenly distributed, and most carry severe penalties. Repeated sexual requests, verbal and text from the boss to the subordinate are the worst form of harassment, and if the texts are legitimate, then Slipper is in very deep water and will lose a lot more than just the Speakership.

SM i have the highest regard for sexual harassment claims, after they have been proven fact.
Sexual harassment claims are not expensive, anyone can have one. But a claim remains just that until proven.
Slipper stood aside, knowing the claim of cab-charge would not stand up.
There is no outlet for Slipper to stand aside with the sexual harassment charge, without depleting the govt; of a vote.
This charge could take months to come before court.
And all of this from a man already charged of an offense, in the same court.
All of this could be a case of sour grapes, looking for someone to pay his fine.
The precedent of stepping aside opens channels of false allegations, and appropriately timed, of course.
I hope Julia puts Slipper in the chair, and challenges a vote.