579, you ask what is wrong with the economy.

Well, as I see it, the government is looking behind themselves, not forward. At ,east that's when they are not watching their backs to see who's holding a knife, or being over caucious, trying not to step on some independents dick, or even one from within who almost on a daily basis threatens to withdraw their support.

While all this back patting and back stabbing is going on, most of which adds frustration to the many thousands about to loose their jobs.

What's worse, is they continue to have this 'how clever are we crap' , or, we are the envy of the world rubbish, rammed down their necks.

Little of which means anything when you face the prospect of being out of work, with a slim chance of getting a new job, mainly because $80 grand a year, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off seems to be the new norm.

Add to this where we are today, where we came from and how much we are borrowing, and you should get some idea of why many mock labor and their take on our economy.

As I say, the best way to look good, is to be surrounded by those who are bad, EU and the US as examples.

Now while you may be happy to see your retirement future, either shared with illegals, or wasted in some other manner, I, along with many have had a gut full of these incompetent, infighting, out of control morons.

Bring on an election so we can have a majority government with a real purpose.

Considering your comments *RehcTub* I also suspect that we are not as clever as some profess to be and that we do actually share in common fundamental problems with some of the degenerative and in decline societies of the European block and North America and perhaps are relatively merely fortunate in the fact that we have a large G.D.P. and a small population.

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Regarding the ALP stimulus measure which boosted pensions and benefits, for my 2c worth I was and remain of the view that this was a beneficial thing to do, except to the extent that they did not make at least commensurate cuts to the top end.

.. Which end to break your eggs at in the words of one of ABC's comedy skits ..

In that regard, some good measures to take, perhaps implemented gradually over time to ameliorate the impact would be in my view:

1. No public servant member or private consultant/contractor to receive more than a maximum of 75% of his or her Minister's base rate.

2. Install universal coverage best practice medicine as opposed to a system predicated on $

i.e. you pay we fix you, you no pay, we no fix you

Perhaps something like the entire medical industry including dentistry and research back on a fixed price, means tested, sustainable system, with the only exceptions being professional excellence and those who genuinely have an international level good or service that brings wealth into the country, (and they are to be encouraged) but they would still have to service the local economy as a priority based on the new enhanced MediCare schedule.

The performers who drive the additional wealth generation of the fund/diversified funds to be provided incentive bonuses only as a measure that they generate above and beyond the standard required for sustainability

3. Same principal for the lawyers.

Of course, mainstream politics appears to prefer the human scrap heap, entrenched disadvantage, some treated and some not, some represented and most not, and as always, in the alternative, I merely suggest voting other than red or blue.

Dream On, in your three posts in just this thread you hurled feeble insults.
Twice at me then Rechtub, I am aware you have issues.
Others may not.
Mate this is not a brick wall to be covered by scribble, well maybe if it had some substance.
Get well bloke, first know pork Belly is sorry for you.
Yes Anthonyv , seems we agree often, the mud being throw sticks only in the minds of the under informed.
Maybe, just maybe, it is fear that drives some.
Gillard has failed, peoples forum, cash for clunkers,failed to imagine
Remove the possibility some will replace her and you hand conservatives victory.
At a time Medea is uninterested in reminding us of the proposed cuts in education health pensions and raising middle class welfare?

The labor caucus room probably has this big chocolate wheel, with the likes of Gillard, Rudd, Shorten, even Creen on it.

The worrying part of this picture is the centre of the wheel, that being we, the people, are being turned head over heels repeatedly, as the wheel continues to turn just waiting to see who is the chosen one.

Usually, the auto pilot function, which is the mode we are currently in, is reserved for times of election campaigns, when governments go into caretaker mode.

Perhaps there's a message in that hey!

Dream on.
I, unlike many don't have a problem with some of labor's ideas, it's just that they didn't have what it took to implement them.

Now that's not a crime, but the crime was committed when they either refused expert advice, or chose to ignor it, time and time again.

Insulation, the stimulus and live exports to mention just a few.

Butch you have a ton of wood sitting on one shoulder.
Do not worry yourself at what is going around, it is not affecting the process of government.
All you want is an election, but there is nothing to vote for. The noalition does not have any policies. When we see some we can judge.
So keep cool and get on with your work, and let Julia get on with hers.
Don't allow borrowings worry you, until you can understand what these borrowings are for. You may be denying some mining firm, another reason to eliminate some more staff.

579,
You said to Butch, "Do not worry yourself at what is going around, it is not affecting the process of government"

How do you come to that conclusion? The examples given reflect the amount of debt we now have, because this government has wasted billions. You simply disregard this, but debt has to be repaid and with interest, so what is the legacy that our decendants are left with.

There are many more examples of incompedence by this government. In fact there are about 50 great stuff ups and you claim it does not affect the process of government. This government, under either Rudd or Gillard, has no concept of economic management.

Your conclusions show your incapacity to think and your lack of care for future Aussies.