It wasn't all that long ago that the Egypt situation occurred. The ousting of the president was to herald good new times ahead. Those who doubted it were called all sorts of names.
So, to all those name callers what do you think of the situation re an Arab Spring after the soccer game ?
How do you feel if that lot starts climbing into boats bound for here ?

impossible to bring democracy to uncivilised people. I know it does not fit humanistic dogma however more will be worse off under the muslim brotherhood than the previous dictators. Christians are already being slaughtered and driven from their houses under the barbaric regime. Women will soon all be forced to wear headgear and homosexuals stoned. The West will be dumb enough to ask what went wrong.

Sometimes, runner, your posts take my breath away.

Those Athenians who we hold up as the inventors of democracy were hardly more civilised than that mob in Egypt. I mean, they didn't give Socrates a fair go, did they. Just because he saw things differently from most of his fellow citizens, he got to sup on a delightful infusion of hemlock.

And those Romans who championed democracy in the days of the Republic - well, flinging the disabled and mentally ill from the Tarpeian Rock alongside murderers and traitors hardly indicates that they were very civilised by today's standards.

That you show concern for Egyptian Christians but disregard the rest speaks volumes.

Otokonoko,

"Sometimes, runner, your posts take my breath away."

Yup...it's extraordinary how runner consistently manages to convey sentiments almost diametrically opposed to those displayed by Christ.

And another thing, runner, if it wasn't for the custodianship of the many libraries that existed in places like Islamic Cordoba during Europe's Dark Ages, much of antiquity's wisdom would have been lost to the West and the world.

Otokonoko & Poirot,
What you're saying is indisputable however what do make of the situation now ? Just about every civilisation has gone through that. To me it comes down to this. Don't people ever learn from past mistakes & wrong-doing ?
Are we therefore supposed to accept that we have to let our standards go down the tube now because some idiots didn't think any different 2000 years ago than what some morons do now ?
What do both of you suggest now should be done to prevent another armada of refugees from heading this way ? Or, are you actually in favour of it ?

The russians and chinese, are standing in the road to do something in Syria by the UN.