Sorry I will not bend the knee to this rubbish.
Most woman I ever had in my life or interacted with would not have bad thoughts about me.
But twice controlling and totally untrust worthy little princesses have been shown my door no violence but no debate.
It is stupid true, to not except some women deserve what they get, some do, play on the idea you can not hit them, and some are unworthy of the name woman.
We will see no denials, some men fit those descriptions too.
My opponent, the fat controller is as sexy as a telegraph pole.
Harsh as a drunken Warfie and lies for the enjoyment between bashing her man.

Get off the turps Suze and Pericles, one can defend oneself without 'give your lady a whack' or 'give the little woman a hiding'.

Do you two work for the Tele?

Anyone who has read any of anti's posts, which you both have, would know he means just the very act of defending himself would put him in a position of being perceived as the aggressor. It's a slightly hyperbolic meme of his that if the missus beat him over the head 20 times with a frying pan, and the police came they would look intently at her wrists to see if he used any undue force to prevent this. Such is the persecution complex but I think in less hyperbolic terms he has a point, accepted by Pericles himself that the cops would not be looking to the woman as the aggressor which is central to the whole argument he's trying to make.

Sorry, I forgot about the accepted misrepresentation for fun and persecution. It's what makes OLO so much fun. As you were.

Let's just admit it, there is a double standard. There are double standards all over the place - most of us only recognise them when we are not the beneficiary.

Let's look at the why. The double standard is a historic one stemming from the old fashioned notion of man as protector and the notion that, as the stronger of the two men, continue, in this instance, to be held to a higher standard. The same applies to an adult in a confrontation with a child.

The same historical precedents and prejudices work in regard to rape cases, sexual drives, sexual harrassment or women/men in certain roles.

What can be done? Forget governments - they are only one part of the solution (they are pressured not only by 'needs' based policy but by squeaky wheel phenomena).

It is up to each of us to respect each individual (man or woman) looking first with as fair as a perspective as possible. This includes not asssuming that every man accused of rape must be guilty and that every woman who alleges rape is a liar. Innocent until proven guilty both for the accuser as well as for the accused.

The simple fact is the majority of victims of DV are women and children (heaven forbid we use the term 'victim' - I can hear the outraged cries now). However that said, it does not mean that programs like White Ribbon cannot target DV as a whole including women taking responsibility for their own acts of violence, we want equality afterall.

Does the white ribbon program actually work - it may have some impact on the social psyche I guess, but let's face it we all know DV is wrong.

From my POV, resources would be best spent on providing practical and counselling supports for victims and perpetrators. Is any lowlife that would commit violence really going to be any the better from government advertising other than providing information as to where to get help should they one day wake up to themselves and realise they are a low life.

Yes, I agree Pelican. I have no trouble with having one anti-violence day to fit all.

The fact remains though that women and children (and other men) DO come off second best physically by the hand of other men, than most victims of female violence.

I can therefore understand in a way why the White Ribbon Day was thought of first.

No amount of bleating from some OLO members can change the fact that women are the larger number of domestic violence victims.

I hate all violence, and would be happy to have an all encompassing anti-violence organisation commenced, but somehow I don't think that would suit the purposes of Antiseptic's problem...

"No amount of bleating from some OLO members can change the fact that women are the larger number of domestic violence victims."

Bleating from OLO members won't change it. The fact that it's a lie based on dodgy stats built on assumptions about power structures in relationships is the bit you don't seem to grasp. I and others have present links to a large number of studies which show that the statement you made is false over a sustained period of time. A plea to indicators driven by existing perceptions about DV does not rebut the facts.

The point has been demonstrated over and over again, when it comes to "numbers" rather than specific aspects of DV such as high ned injuries DV is not overly genderised, if anything women initiate physical violence against partners more often than men. Eg to use your terms "men are the larger number of domestic violence victims"

That's not about impact rather numbers because it's numbers that you mentioned.

No one seem to care too much about impact when it's not convenient, eg the far higher suicide rates amongst men than women don't seem to raise much ire.

R0bert

"No one seem to care too much about impact when it's not convenient, eg the far higher suicide rates amongst men than women don't seem to raise much ire."

RObert that is just emotive and untrue. Suicide rates among men have been highlighted in the media for some time with huge follow up campaigns and support. I also question your stats in relation to DV.

We can all go out and cherrypick all the unfair things that face us as men and women specific, but really they are all people problems.
Antiseptic's masculinist approach and vigillance in advocating for men's rights, would be better aided by acknowledging some of the difficulties faced by women. He has never done that, so I remain unconvinced about the premise of his motives. I am reminded of the equally ardent feminists who do not release their own grip on the perception that women = good, men = evil.

Similar statements have been made in the reverse by many men on this forum.

Division does not solve problems, it only exacerbates them.