Come on! some reality here please.
Not every woman is a Goddess, increasingly some as seen here demand a special value be put on being female.
That pedestal, under the feet of some real life trash.
Just because they are woman.
My first few hard fist fights, lost every one, happened in defense of a woman, at age 13.
After some time I won.
And the bashings ended.
Latter age about 17 I watched a public drunken flogging begin, in a beer garden.
And stopped it, it was becoming free entertainment, an excepted thing.
Women do naturally control some things in a relationship, we men except it.
But why?
How can any female for any reason always blame the man?
WHY do men have to except bashings.
The fat oppressor of men is no Lady, tell me, if she was bashing a woman, if the only way I could stop her was hitting her? she would be both hit, then helped to her feet.
Why do feminists both demand equality/total rule and special treatment?
Increasingly women want to be in control and it is just as wrong as it is for a man for any one to hit anyone.
Anti it seems your past posts are unfairly,being used against you here.
At a time both sex's are less likely to be faithful in equal numbers reality can not be hidden, females,some, demand both freedom to act like men, and the pedestal.

StG, I agree that we have a social taboo against male violence and none against female violence, especially female violence directed at men, for which pericles provides a very good apologetic.

My concern is still with the reason for this social arrangement. In Pericles view it seems to be hangover of the quaintly Victorian patriarchal notion that women are simply not as competent as men. I suspect he's right. However, in our society that particular notion is not merely dispensed with, it is positively legislated against, with it's own special Commission to enforce the legislation.

However, in much of the legislation around affirmative action and other gender-based policies, the implicit assumption is that women could not succeed without having special treatment, so perhaps the patriarchal sentiments that pericles annunciated are stronger than some women would like to believe?

As belly said:"Why do feminists both demand equality/total rule and special treatment?"

Because all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...

one cannot 'hit' woman
but by the same equal measure
one cannot[must not]..hit upon any man neither

what is hitting..but an attempt to force compliance
[by threat become force]

so rule one is no hitting
and if hit to turn the other cheek
[and trust someone puts it on youtube]

then go to a lawer..and suer for damages
all parties concerned...[however remotely]

that said..i love hitting 'on'..woman
for each is a special godess..as much as i am offering them my god head

equals satying each iothers thirsts
in living loving joyfull weighing
each taking their turn..on top

oh lord..how i love to look upon thy face
[especially if its not the same sex as mine]
[your right girls...i wouldnt let one near me neither
but heck..dont it just feel right when its all right...ammoung equals

all hitting on
not hitting with

Antiseptic, there are all sorts of twists and turns to this.

There are strong social taboo's against men using pysical violence against women in our society in part because we are generally stronger, there seems to be plenty of evidence that women are generally more skilled verbally and better skilled at emotional ploy's yet there don't seem to be any taboo's against women using verbal or emotional violence against men by women.

I do think that there is an element of paternalism about it as well, women being entitled to special treatment because they are womeen.

We've rightly recognised that forcing someone to have sex is wrong even in the context of a monogamous relationship yet don't seem to have any prohibition against attempts various forms of coercion used to try to prevent or punish someone for having sex with another party. I happen to think that those in a relationship with a clear expectation on monogamy have responsibilities to the other party in both directions, but that's a different issue to the idea of being able to use threats or violence another person's sexual activity.

I don't believe that it's valid to assume that because we point out the double standards in this or try to get changes to the way violence against men by women is treated that we don't see any good in women, no more true than those campaigning against the reality that female victims of rape in some countries are punished could be accused of not seeing good in any men.

The situation facing a man with a violent spouse is a very difficult one, a Percilies pointed out the authorities are not likely to provide much support (and if he does take it to the police and the spouse lies guess who get's believed). Leaving may mean even greater harm with the potential loss of family and assets.

R0bert

Antiseptic, here's some salt for that chip on your shoulder.

>>In Pericles view it seems to be hangover of the quaintly Victorian patriarchal notion that women are simply not as competent as men.<<

Women, as has been observed over the centuries, have been physically less strong than men. That's across the board, not picking out individual women body-builders or seven-stone-weakling men who get sand kicked in their face. Probably because of this, and the natural tendency of males to protect their mates (and by definition their potential future progeny), the male has taken a more physical role in society.

You can check this out if you like. There is plenty of evidence. If you choose to describe that as a "quaintly Victorian patriarchal" attitude, that is your prerogative, but you are flying in the face of a great deal of history.

So, bringing ourselves up to date, it means that even today, men are expected to exercise greater restraint when they feel the urge to hit a women, than women are when they are driven by emotional hurt to take a swipe at their man.

That has nothing to do with "competence", that you allege, and everything to do with culture, upbringing and social mores.

Men do not hit women. Full stop.

Sometimes, women hit men. Live with it.

Feel free to witter on about how that is double standards, and the law should apply equally to men and women, and how you should be free to give your lady a whack whenever you feel like it.

But that's the way it is.

'women are not regarded as being able to control themselves and men are, therefore, it's expected that women will hit men when angry and it's expected that men will be able to restrain themselves from hitting back.'

Everyone loves those spirited euro chicks anti.

I don't think anyone would argue there isn't a double standard, but life is full of these little inconsistencies.

Sucks being a man sometimes, sucks being a woman too I assume. Who wants menstruation, they can have that! Though I do have breast envy. Must be fun getting free drinks just for being hot too.

I've been faced with a knife weilding drunken psycho partner and really felt the next day that it was somehow a black mark on me because I had been involved in... dun dun der! 'DOMestic VIOlence!'- That shameful male-perpetuated social phenomena.

I did grab her wrist and hear he yell 'don't you touch me'. Tried to leave the house and got my best jacket ripped in half, had the threats of her self harm if I left her in the house with all the knives. It's hell man.

It's tough being male and having the responsibility to stay in control in the heat of an emotionally charged dispute, and I wish the "don't blame the victim!" crowd would let it be discussed that if I wasn't such an alround good guy with an ability to keep my cool, I may have smashed her into the wall until her skull cracked. Now that wouldn't have been good for either of us.

She's lucky it was me.

Society should praise me rather than stigmatise me.

All I can do is try and be proud of my behaviour and courage under emotional turmoil (I find these things really rather upsetting, I'm quite delicate), but of course the stain of being a man in a violent domestic dispute will always be with me.

I cringe every White Ribbon day as if I have something to hide, but at least I'm in one piece not like all those dead chicks.