40,000 jobs protected
for 40 million..[is what 1000 per job?]

thats less than the dole
its what gm and ford and many others 'do'

even if it was obnly 20,000 jobs this 40 million protects
thats 2,000..[still much less than the dole]

but wait..then there is the green car scam
120 million to that?

whats the total number
what is the real number

how many of these 40,000 jobs
is just importing and adding extra cost
on simply re-packing imported product..

thing is its so secret
whats the whole true numbers

but this toopic is about freedom
what happend to it...is

that we pay taxes..so our govt can kep us working
for mulitinational corperations...that follow the money

we build into products..use by dates[see the toner ink cartrage scam..or timed web acces...and other enronesque type charging

[as much as the market will bear]
with the big ab-users..getting much more than the base users

like paying upfront acces fees
and reduced pricing..for the huge users
[subsidised by the mugs..in coach class..the rotted teeth mob]

but wait
mention was made of peter beatup
[who gifted half a billion..BILLION!..to a mate
to build a magnesium plant in gladstone...PLUS HOHARD..kicked in another half a billion[lol to underwites shareholders payments..for 5 years

ON A PLANT lol
THAT NEVER GOT BUILT!

then there is this faint echo
i keep hearing of 12 BILLION gifts/subsidies..to big petrol
[does that include tax egsemption for farmers and some elect big multinational truckers]

at least were free to talk about it
but the kids are too dumbed down via the propaganda sold them in the de-education schooling the fool system..for half of em to be able to even read the remedy..

if its not in a 200 word limit
they cant read it..twit witts indeed

how much gmo in our foodchain now
what its 3rd generation affect[sterility]
but the gmo scam goes on..[subsidised in near all our education systems...with mulitnationals collecting all the intelectual patents]

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/monsantos-gmo-corn-approved-despite.html

yes we are watched,..[to protect us]..
http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.com/2012/01/tsa-top-10-good-catches-of-2011.html

yes we cant control
the multinational druggies
cause our agencies deliver it for them
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/01/09/us-agents-laundered-money-shipped-drugs-for-cartels/
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=17277

protest can work
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/01/05/wild-old-women-close-san-francisco-bank-of-america-branch/
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0103/occupy.html

but media silence
too busy laying spin
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-10/obama-ready-to-strike-to-stop-nuclear-iran-ex-adviser-says.html
http://undertheradarmedia.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=4083

bailout again to mates[in the know][20%]
nuthin for the 80%..vague govt dis-traction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/09/80-percent-homeowners-ineligible-loan-modification_n_1194725.html

police in schools..[wolves ammoung the sheep]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools
http://12160.info/forum/topics/us-customs-can-and-will-seize-laptops-and-cellphones-demand?xg_source=msg_forum_disc

does smoking really cause cancer
http://lewrockwell.com/orig6/larosa6.1.1.html
but the media wont tell ya

so ya gotta search the info for yourself
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

or not
it all depends on what mindset
you lot..have be got

I acknowledge Yabby that your question is a valid one.

The answer I believe lies in the relative goals of the parent Companies in the States.

As would be the case in the defence of Australia, if the chips were really down, the U.S. , would serve it's own interests first, in the end. The Gm's and Fords of the world and their own viability is also dependent/propped up by their own taxpayers. This is a temporary bandaid solution at best. Rules and time frames are already set in advance, heralding the next round of taxpayer handouts, with Ford saying that this current $34 million handout will last them to 2016.

I don't think we can continue this folly indefinitely Yabby. Either these companies build cars suitable for use in the modern world thereby becoming viable in their own right, or handover to someone who can or will. Shelling out hard earn't taxpayers money every time they threaten to close their plants only disempowers consumers/wage and salary earners in the long run, and subsides the parent company's bottom line, without any guarantee of continuance anyway. These companies clearly lack innovation as their core problem.

The 200,000 jobs you cite Yabby, extend to the suppliers of Holden and Ford as well, and as Heinz employees and suppliers have found out, the parent company doesn't give a care for their future, by, and at the same time removing their plant and equipment from their premise to prevent any competitor using its former facility to compete with them. Also electing to import paste from some nondescript source country to make their product in NZ instead of fresh NZ produce.

I think NZ should tell them (Heinz) to rack off and make their sauce in the country the paste comes from, thereby fixing the problem once and for all for us, and we can go back to eating sauce made from our own fresh produce. How's that for a solution Yabby ?.

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The motor industry in principle is exactly the same, except on a larger scale of participation, giving them greater capacity to extract money from the public purse, whilst reducing their dependence on their own innovation and development capacities. Rendered fat, lazy and living off the land, and all the while complaining that their employees are costing too much, and this is the problem.

Simply, subsidising businesses with taxpayers money is a case of workers paying their own wages. Not unlike tax cuts instead of wages rises funded by business, introduced by the Howard Govt, (middle class welfare so called). Disguising the fact that your living standards are actually going down the chute, your cost of living is out of control and your wages are treading water with no prospect of improvement.

Conversely, the big 3 carmakers would have no hesitation in giving Australia the flick, if they thought it were in their best interests Yabby, sacking everyone they employ regardless of how much we are prepared to pay to retain them.

And this is where our freedom has gone. I repeat on subject.

On another front, and in a brilliant example of Gov't colluding with business, Julia Gillard promoted "the concern of Aussie taxpayers", over the whaling thing. Helpfully, she quantifyed the welfare and safety of Australians citizens in dollar value for us.(sic)(vomit)

How far does this have to go before freedom is a distant memory, as it is for another prominent Aussie activist/journalist Julian Assange.

Are we too learn from his experience, that any Australian citizen that whistle blows on our friends in the U.S should be considered insane, a pervert, or worthy of rendition and torture.

Mitt Romney proclaimed Assange "is an enemy of the state and should be killed", and yet the ABC infuriatingly runs incessant coverage of the pre contest Republican Race, as if we should even care.

Maybe we should be more concerned about the waste of taxpayer dollars spent covering this rubbish for Australian viewing. Perhaps we can make it a pulpit issue at next years ALP conference.

Both sides are the same side and this is the core issue effecting freedom in Australia today.
I believe this path can be identified, curtailed and legislated against, for the good of all Australians.

The only party offering any real alternative in terms of policy, is the Greens, and in turn the Independent Members of Parliament. I think they are our last chance at freedom by democracy.

I wonder (for our sake) if anyone else will have figured this out by election day ?.