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What happened to Freedom ?.

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It's gone, the left didn't like what we appreciated & worked for. They're only interested in our money. Sad lot really.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 6:53:33 PM
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Apologies Garum Masala, my dodgy internet has been dropping out due too (I assume) higher than usual usage. I've let Malcolm Turnbull know.

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In health now we are expected "to insure ourselves" instead of being guaranteed quality health care when we really need it "despite our financial position", as it was, when we had our own public health system.

Having the freedom to better yourself by going from one real job to another real job without having to seek the intervention of agent or loosely termed "employment service", that is actually is an urger for employers, touting promises of opportunity instead of actually providing them, is devastating to ones freedom. Having to accept the job you can get after being processed by the system, means that you are actually (in reality) going nowhere baby, no matter what you do, your treading water.

* A "real job" is one where it is incumbent upon employers (and the Gov't as well) to guarantee your living standards*. e.g. if the cost of living increases, so do your wages, thereby guaranteeing your living standards. This keeps everyone honest and naturally puts the breaks on inflation.

Today the employee is expected to improve the living standards of the employer in exchange for job security alone, while the cost of living is determined by the un-tramelled greed of corporations without social responsibility.

The notion of, "there is nothing you can do about this", is most deeply instilled in the young . In a conversation, in which I was trying to explain wage indexation and it's positive effect on freedom with a 19 year old, response had descended too "I couldn't give a flying F", before the information was absorbed.

Freedom and understanding it, is much more important than party politics Individual. I was hoping this post would be about that. It is an unfortunate historical fact, ( for the conservative side of australian politics) that the Labor Party has initiated and built public infrastructure and the LNP has sold it. cont...
Posted by thinker 2, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 8:14:12 PM
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My post (I hope) draws attention to the simple fact, that owning your stuff, is a good thing.

The last thing you really need,(if it is freedom you want in democratic capitalism), is to employ some one to sell you your stuff at a profit for them, for rest of your life by choice.

And this folks, is where your freedom went.
Posted by thinker 2, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 8:17:28 PM
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I can only but agree thinker2.

While many waste time with distractions about imaginary Left conspiracies, democratic rights continue to be eroded and privacy/freedoms diminished. The youth have nothing of which to compare. Many already accept was once the unacceptable and corporatism is the new norm. While we still enjoy some semblance of democracy in the West it is all too easily lost without vigilance.

The trends of wedge politics and cultural predeliction to take 'sides' coupled with a growing paranoia to be seen as right about everything at all times rather than to question the guff one is fed from both sides of politics, I don't see much hope for common sense to prevail.

Many still view the economy as a living and independent beast that requires 'productive' souls to feed it rather than manipulating the system to work for the interests of individuals. The public are continually being sold a pup and are duped every time. This is recognised in the eternal debate about business versus labour as you point out.
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 9:55:49 PM
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@579. One think that gets up my nose is people making retorical comments without bothering to verify the facts. Typical of lazy %$#@^ queenslanders. GO get the file! now look at the photo. If I was the police commissioner, I would sack these clowns on the spot.
Posted by pepper, Thursday, 5 January 2012 9:35:02 AM
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What tripe thinker, the post of a would be bludger.

What responsibility for your living standard should an employer have? None at all.

If your skills are inadequate to provide you with the standard of living you desire, go get some more valuable skills. If you can't live on laborers wages, become a tradesman. It's up to you what you earn, not your employer.

In a true democracy, as an employer I would be free to offer any job to anyone I liked, for what ever the work was worth to me. An employee would be free to accept or reject that job. The fact that some idiot bungs on a carbon tax is no reason why I should have to pay you more. In fact it is probably reason why I should pay you less, as my profits may reduce. Next thing you'll be expecting more money if you have more kids.

I should also be able to get rid of anyone who is no longer of any use to me. Why should I have to give anyone assured employment for life, when they can walk out, with all the training I will have put into them, at a weeks notice? Where's the equity in that?

If you're a Queenslander the reason you're paying ever increasing charges is that grinning fool Beattie. He ran all our public infrastructure down, extracting more money from it, to cover his incompetence, then got it off the government books, just before it collapsed due to lack of maintenance. Our power was falling down, & Brisbane had no water. Isn't Labor great?

He spent a fortune of our money on water infrastructure, only so he could steel the water conserved by prudent local councils, to supply it to his favoured Brisbane. Guess what, that multi billion system can't be used to save water by moving excess Wivenhoe water to the expanded Gold Coast dam, it is just for Brisbane.

You know I can't imagine why Labor are so on the nose, can you?
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 5 January 2012 11:05:05 AM
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