Hehehe! individual.

Heard that one before, it's a goodie :)

Only problem is you forgot the 3rd party that foils the whole deal. I wounder who that may be?

Runner,
You reckon that overpopulation is a falicy?

Open your eyes. Look at certain countries in Africa and view the starving kids. Their land simply cannot support the population and they have no money to buy the equipment and other necesities to improve production,

I am a farmer, now retired, and let me inform you that human reproduction is similar to other mamuals, in that the more you feed them the more they breed. First ovulation depends on body weight and after a woman gives birth when she next ovulates depends on her food intake. Breast feeding of infants used to be a known method of preventing pregnancy, but in our societies better food intake negated that.

So family planning and birth control is an absolute necessity if we are to be sustainable. Education is the key to this and provission of the means. If Iran can do it anyone can, but religions need to come on board to assist governments to achieve lowering birthrates.

Intense pressure should be put on the Vatican to change their policy on birth control.

Birthrates in developed countrries are low, it is in those countries that are subject to famine where the effort has to be made.

interesting topic mr bell
but growth for growth sake..[welcome to hell]

in time we will learn..that staying where we are..is the bigger challange..[as we watch industry shut down..as the insane capitalists...rush to loot and plunder in the latest growth state]

there is an ever shrinking pool of wealth..ripe for exploitation
even holding onto the wealth..you think you got..will be getting harder

much of your 'wealth'..is in futrure promises
but super has been looted and plunderd..[thats why it was again increased]..your money is digets..in some multinational computa..and we know the banks are bust

the time of easy 'growth'..has picked the low hanging ripe fruit..and next has begun eating itself...all new moneys are used to takeover egsisting stuff..and few new endeavours will succeed without govt gifts grants or licence

we live in the time..where keeping what we so dearly bought
becomes more important..that doing the new thing

capitalists..are declining..the few wealthy
will get more wealthy..till in the end..they get eaten by the poor

and the poor..'you will allways have with you'

population isnt the concern
mankind will not head for the stars
its time you came back to earth..here we made our bed

its here
we get the oppertuinity

to make it better
or worse

If only the people with the biggest mouths (in every sense of the word) could learn from others & past foolishness but, alas.

banjo has an issue with over pop=ulation
but even here his logic is flawed.by fear based blinders

to quote..banjo rote..""more you feed them the more they breed.""

ohh great..so yankies got the highest birthrate
and the STARVING hungery africans cant breed?

but your rote goes on..""First ovulation depends on body weight and after a woman gives birth when she next ovulates depends on her food intake.""

so less food
less fertility

gosh why isnt the third world hungry noticing the birth decline?

mate..its lack of security..thats the big clue
we secure in the west..dont need any young spending our current wealth..IN THE HOPE..they will look after US..when were old

you want to cut pop growth
assure them they will be secure[cared for]..when they grow old alone

then you got twisted cathoholic thinking..""Breast feeding of infants used to be a known method of preventing pregnancy,""

you know men can breast feed?

its not the breast feeding..but the protection of the kid
turning off mum and pop...[stopping them from popping]

but bottle fed bred babies..
""but in our societies
better food intake negated that.""

yet we do it more
but get less out of it

cause we got social security..the pill/condoms
and work to make us too tired to make love

im reminded that making love is a comfort thing
those in poverty and dispare..at least can find a warm place to rest

its cold comfort...
that..most of our fears are based in self deciete

when simplistic bias fails
what next..but to check fact

OUG,
If you took note you would see that in famines the birthrate drops dramatically. The same as i have trouble getting my cows to go into calf during droughts. If a woman is on a poor diet and is breast feeding she most likely is not ovulating, so there is no egg to fertilize.

When good seasons come the people breed more or if we supplement their food intake. So in the longer term we are worsening the problem.
They do not choose to have larger families, the babies are born because they know nothing about contraception and do not have the means available.

Iran reduced their birthrate from 6.5 per woman to less than 2, by education and provission of the means. They got the support of their religious leaders to do this.

Other countries should take note and the vatican needs to wake up to reality.

And yes, without contraception, western countries would breed like rabbits.