negative experience can be turned into positive
Andreas Berg,
Same goes for Abbott or anyone else for that matter. I'd rather give Abbott a first go then Rudd a second one. I can't afford to believe in Labor anymore, especially on social issues incl Law & Order.

I think the facts speak for themselves in my assessment of the Whitlam era Individual. I don't think you have addressed them.

In addition to that, I think you massively under estimate Gillard, in that she maybe has the ability to stay around a bit longer than you give her credit for.

At the new year, she can say that her first full year as Pm was a year of delivery of policy, and hit the ground running next year.

As for the synopsis about Abbott making less mistakes, so therefore should be PM, is dependent upon what you perceive as mistakes Individual, and as for Abbott having achieved anything, (except for inventing new versions of the desperate lunge for power), name something.

Rudd has no chance Andreas Berg, but there is something in what you say in that the Rudd policies were indeed popular, "it's when he failed to deliver them" that it all went pear shaped for Kev.

The Labor Party and Julia Gillard should take heed of that I think, for it is not Abbott's suitability for the top job that is effecting the opinion polls, it is the public perception (maybe true) that Gillard herself has made too many concessions to the big end of town in these watered down versions of good Labor policy ("Workchoices light" is one as TBC said) and has allowed it's social democratic pedigree, to drift to the Greens. That essentially what Rudd was doing with the mining super profits tax etc, doing the job of being a good Labor PM.

It was his party Belly, that did not have the intestinal fortitude to deliver those policies, and not even Julia Gillard has been able to make that palatable or even preferable in the public view ever since, all in the face of the worst opposition Leader and front bench in Australia's political history. A dangerous right wing rabble of people entirely unsuitable for Govt. Who knows what they would do with the power. It scares me to even contemplate it.

cheers T2

Blue, I am proud as pounch that I didn't vote for either labor or the greens, becaue, if I did I would feel ashamed.

And as for,your rant about voting for the PM, you know full well what I meant, so don't try to distort the truth.

If an election were held tomorrow, people would realize that a vote for their local labor member would be a vote for the leader of labor to be pm.

In any case, the fact remains that this woman is well past here use by date and, given the position she has allowed herself, and the Australian public to be in, due to the deal she has done, she should do the honorable thing and let the people decide.

If they want pokie reform, she will get back in.

If they want a carbon tax, she will get back in.

If they want the mining tax, she will get back in?

However, if labor wants back in, they must chuck her out, and fast.

Is that not the makings of a real democracy at work!

Dear rehctub,

Voters will get their chance to have their
say at the next election in 2013 and much
can change in that time - including the
leadership of both major parties.

A democracy
requires its citizens to make informed choices.
If citizens are given false or misleading
information. the democratic process becomes
a sham.

Lexi writes

'A democracy
requires its citizens to make informed choices.
If citizens are given false or misleading
information. the democratic process becomes
a sham.'

Lying to the electorate on the eve of an election makes the democratic process a sham. That is exactly what Ms Gillard did.

Lexi, I think even the most staunched labor supporter, like yourself, would agree that we are in a period of limbo, as the government is being held ransom over what is essentially an unreasonable deal with two very minor inds.

This woman has taken us from disater to disaster with no clear path in sight as to how on earth we are going to stop the waste and try to repay the huge debt we now have, in just 4 years.

The latest Qantas issue is a point in case whereby, the legislation SHE DEVELOPED was proven to be unworkable.

Furthermore, she had many an opportunity to intivine yet her common response when questioned about the issue was, I am monitoring the situation constantly.

The law states that unions are not allowed to intentionally harm a company, and they did, yet she and her unionized bunch did nothing.

Labor must act now before there is nothing left to save.