individual: "I have seen enough damage, haven't you?"

These mistakes are unlikely comparable with damage caused by John Howard in his late years as prime-minister. He was trying to spread fear and paranoia among Australians. Fear of terrorism, fear of refugees, fear of financial crisis, etc. ... Social management must not be based on fear, and human rights must never be sacrificed for any material benefits.
It is why, under no circumstances, I want ever see Mr Abbott as our prime-minister.

Social management must not be based on fear,
Andreas Berg,
then what do you call Labor's style of management or your own words for that matter ? Isn't fear mongering all you lot come up with ? At least those opposing you have proof that Rudd & Gillard couldn't manage. Abbott hasn't made a fraction of the blunders of those two.

individual, much as I dislike Rudd and regard Gillard as an empty vessel, Abbott is a blunder.

A Masters from Oxford maybe, but missing a few neurons where he needs them, is the impression I get.

And no Belly, I have not studied him on Q&A.

He misses that cunning-rat finesse of Howard, but I too fear his rise to the top at the next election, as do many others, and far more than a continuing Gillard, who may yet last the distance and surprise Kevvieboyo, never mind everyone else.

Just ask those in Qld who suffered under Rudd as Goss's office boy if they think he learned anything from his years there in government, to take into the Rudd government and see what response you get.

He did learn one thing, and that left us with all Howard's dud public servants, in place and carrying on with all of Howard's policies, as can be seen in the work Gillard did on recreating WorkChoices into WorkChoices Light, not to mention carrying on with Howard's dismantling of public education, and failing to get a dental scheme into Medicare, and so on.

Oh, they ditched the off-shoring of refugee prisoners and offered a couple of apologies, but I can't recall what for now, now the froth and bubble has washed away and nothing else has changed as a result of the apologies.

Good Morning, can not find a stump so ask you Labor voters to gather around the Ute.
Now look here,pedophiles? and why are you listening to those blind mice?
Yep we are lead now by a lady heading in the wrong direction and as unloved as any leader in our history.
But be brave!
Replacing her with a pumpkin on a broom stick will see us rise ten points.
The quality of our detractors, 30 years in the wilderness? is questionable.
Tony Abbott? his front bench, heard of them?
Once we dump our dear lost leader just wait, the spot light will fall on the other side.
30 years?
Loven it!

Howard's dud public servants
The Blue Cross,
There's no such thing as a non-Labor supporting Public Servant. Even when we have a conservative government the Public Service is always 99% Labor hence the insurmountable problem.

I remember of course that Mr Rudd had a landslide victory over John Howard mostly due to announcing a number of promising policies.
I have not forgotten that Mr Rudd has failed to implement quite a number of those policies, which were so proudly announced and warmly met by electorate.
Nevertheless, I risk to suggest again that he should be given a second chance.
I do believe that mistakes, failures and negative experience can be turned into positive, if a person is willing to learn and to correct them.
I trust the key words of this discussion are: "If Mr Rudd can learn his lessons"...