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Return of Kevin Rudd would be beneficial
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Posted by Belly, Sunday, 13 November 2011 5:56:24 AM
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Dear Yabby,
It seems to me that the answer to your question is obvious - because architects and librarians produce carbon as every human creature only while farmers (and any other manufacturers) produce carbon not only as living creatures but much more as manufacturers of their production. Don't you think that it is fair, when people polluting our environment because of their professional activities (which are undoubtedly needed by society) pay relevant tax from their incomes? Can you suggest any fairer for everyone way to protect our environment?... I would be more concerned of how efficiently the government spends this tax money for protection indeed of our environment and, consequently, of everyone of us - farmers, miners, architects, librarians, etc. Posted by Andreas Berg', Sunday, 13 November 2011 5:57:33 AM
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Belly, the reason for Abbotts backflip on the super deal, is simply because if he wins power, it will be very unpopular to take this away from the workers.
Now gillard is misleading the people about this 12% as she is trying to make people think the government is paying it, but they are not, business is because it is part of the proposed mining tax. No tax, no 12%. As for rud, he radified Kyoto by stealing land from the farmers. Remember the guy up the pole. His life's dream taken away from him, he still owned it and was responsible for it, he just was not allowed to use it. Remember that must have trip to Copenhargen, who can forget that $58 bowl of soup. Achieved nothing, but now we have a carbon tax, even though the rest thought better of it. It's not so much the tax, as the timing. Remember the warning he and old mate received about insulation, yet, despite the repeated warnings and warning signs, young people still lost their lives. To my knowledge ther were no deaths prior to the first experts warning. Remember the school halls program and that tuck shop the most expensive one in history. No, of cause you lot don't remember as you have short memories. It is you labor supporters, along with green supporters who must take some of the blame for allowing this great nation to be placed in such poor shape in less than four years. And Lexi, I don't think we can risk waiting until 2013, a I fear we will have little left to salvage. In my view Rud is your best option, but he is still a dud. Perhaps if he does come back we shoukd demand a security bond of say one billion dollars. Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 13 November 2011 6:23:43 AM
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<< For example, if physician warns about dangerous consequences of certain styles of life, diets, etc., intelligent persons would gratefully listen and take relevant actions>>
Maybe not-see here: "GOSFORD dad Graham Lord prepared himself for the worst when he was told he had an aggressive stomach cancer. But the 59-year-old was determined to fight it. He endured seven gruelling sessions of chemotherapy, before undergoing surgery to remove 80 per cent of his gut. Then he was given the devastating news: he never had cancer in the first place." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/graham-lords-hospital-horror-after-being-misdiagnosed-with-aggressive-stomach-cancer/story-e6freuy9-1226193498916 You see, if a physician misdiagnoses your condition at least you have some comeback in being able to sue them for malpractice. If the IPCC and their politically motivated left-leaning cheer squad get it wrong --it's tough titties! And what is particularly disconcerting is that the IPCCs cheer squad seem particularly susceptible to extraordinary delusions, and have made getting it wrong an art form. Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 13 November 2011 8:03:38 AM
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Dear SPQR,
Yes, some physicians sometimes can be wrong in diagnostics and treatments. Therefore, in complicated cases, seeking second opinion has been accepted as an essential standard of medical practice. However, my example was not about particular diagnosis but about things, which most physicians have agreed upon - what styles of life and diets are unhealthy and dangerous. Similarly, most scientists related to environmental issues have agreed that human activities produce threat for environment and, as a consequence, for very human life itself. Moreover, we don't have to be scientists that to realize this. No one of us (except, maybe, some mentally ill persons) is having doubts that we have to wash ourselves, our dishes and clothes, clean our home, etc., otherwise, we would face very unpleasant, unhealthy and even dangerous consequences. Don't we also have to clean after ourselves in our bigger home - the Earth? How can it be that we pollute our planet in more and more increasing proportions, but our Earth remains clean? Alas, its self-cleaning abilities are limited. Unfortunately,we can't just stop many of our polluting activities as they support our life, but we must make them less polluting for the sake of our life too. Finding and keeping balance between inevitable polluting and its minimal impact on our environment is a mean of human survival. Posted by Andreas Berg', Sunday, 13 November 2011 8:58:21 AM
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*while farmers (and any other manufacturers) produce carbon not only as living creatures but much more as manufacturers of their production*
Err Andreas, I remind you that on farms, that "manufacturing" involves growing plants, which suck up CO2 and release oxygen. Luckily for you city people, it blows into cities so that you may actually breathe. Perhaps you need to think it through a little better. Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 13 November 2011 10:23:13 AM
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This link too, highlights, to those who will see, leadership issues are our problem.
Apart from Bob Brown, who is Representative of his silly walks party.
We are lead by the wrong people.
And focus must resume, its back must no longer be turned,on the coalitions lost nature churning out policy's it has no intention of implementing.
A slick side showman inviting us in to a tent, one that is and will remain, empty.