Andreas, that is what I was alluding to.

Rudd does not 'learn lessons'.

He was despised here in Qld for his attitude and demands, and he took all those same negative attributes to Canberra with him.

Rudd has no need to 'learn lessons' because he is Rudd.

He's from Qld, and he's there to help.

Help whom?

No one thought to ask him, did they?

But, in the very doubtful possibility that Rudd knows what 'humility' means, maybe he could learn from Bonhoffer,and he did arise from the cave, then there is the question of the media and the gormless Oz public to consider.

He would be laughed at and about from pillar to post.

The public careers of all those who knifed him would be shot, so Belly's Gnome would be gone, and the ALP would probably still lose to an Abbott led Coalition and we'd still be in the mess we are with a hopeless ALP that wants to become more of a clone of the Liberal Party than it already is.

And then who to lead the ALP after Rudd lost the election?

Back to square one with a shortage of talent and ability.

Mind you, that's never stopped any political party in the past, I suppose.

In fact, it's a pre-requisite for the Bob Katter Mad As A Hatter 10/6d Party isn't it?

Dear Blue Cross,

Thank you for your thoughtful message.
I am glad we agreed that Mr Abbott's premiership would not be beneficial for our country. Mr Turnbull might be different story...
However, can the ALP win elections under current leadership? - No.
Can the ALP win elections under different leadership? - Unlikely. Frequent change of leaders would mean instability within the party, and people won't support such a party.
Yet, return of Mr Rudd seems to be a different matter. It could be accepted by electorate as willingness of the ALP to correct mistakes and to implement promised policies, if the ALP would manage to explain this properly to the public.
I believe, if Mr Rudd and the ALP are willing to learn their lessons and correct their mistakes, then we could have some ground for a cautious optimism.

Gillard would have been dumped long ago if not for the gun being held to her, and labor,s head, by Andrew Wilki and co, over these pokie reforms.

Blind Freddie knows that Rud on an off day would be far better for both labor and the country than Gillard at her best.

All in all, I still think the best option is to let the people decide, then we will have a Pm who has been voted in by the people, not by default.

The one certainty in all this is that th ind will get flogged and who ever wins office will do with the blessings and support of the majority.

In saying this, if labor wants any chance of holding office, they must dump gillard. And fast!

She is much more a liability than Rud ever was.

Andreas

The ALP would have to buy TV time, Australian Story plus all the channels the nongs watch, with a 30 minute mea culpa from Rudd.

Bazza Kennedy or that fat fellow from the commercials that everyone fawns over, doing the interviewing and a complete undressing of Rudd's character and how he intends to set about 'going forward'.

The journals-of-choice would have to be filled with a print version.

'Rudd denounces previous arrogance' blazed across the pages of the Oz.

TV commercials, like he had when he took the leadership, stating how wrong he had been and how his time in the cave had changed him.

It won't happen though, because he has not changed at all.

"let the people decide, then we will have a Pm who has been voted in by the people", you mean, like the people decided to vote Howard out of his seat?

No one 'votes for the PM' except those in his/her seat.

Gillard's electorate could vote her out, not you or me, unless you live there.

There is this unbelievable, stupid, idea that somehow no one who voted was responsible for the outcome of the ballot.

We who voted caused the 'imbalance' that the noisy goons, like Abbott and supporters, are upset about.

Why is no one prepared to take responsibility for how THEY voted?

Had people voted in a different manner, then there would be a different outcome, but they CHOSE not to, and we have exactly the result we all voted for.

Don't think for a moment that if Abbott was now PM, in a minority government, the blame would be any different.

Time to grow up, and accept responsibility for how you voted.

Yes Blue, we got what we voted for, & what we deserve. Still it could have been worse, with the number of lefties attracted to Turnbull. If they can't have Rudd, they'd settle for his clone it seams, so we might have had the coalition, led by a self serving stuffed shirt fool, running the place.

Guess we are making a habit of the fool bit recently.

So every time you look at Julia, & think silly little girl, just remember how much worse it may have been.