I wonder how many of us truly under stand those workers who get the benefits of Gillards action.
Child care aged carers often single mums .
One thing the mostly are.
Like good mums they are carers,they care.
Seen them gently lifting your mum or dad back in bed.
Seen them go around the corner and cry as they see the pain of relatives taking the last of a now gone loved ones things home.
Do you know any of them?
The single mums who dad left with kids to fend for herself, working to eat?
Rechtub, sure you will under stand, these folk do not do equal work.
They do more.
I want to say how very proud I am my party leading again,put humanity first fair go first.
I rebut the fear campaign, the awful lie,that equal pay is a side aspect in the general community of this action.
Those Women outside this group get already far More than these do.
Gillard however still, must go, if not she is Lemming number one leading but to a cliff top.

If Mr Rudd can learn his lessons, I believe, his return as Labor Party leader and Prime Minister would indeed be beneficial not only for Labor Party but for Australia.
I trust the key words of this discussion are: "If Mr Rudd can learn his lessons"...
I do believe that mistakes, failures and negative experience can be turned into positive, if a person (and a political party) is willing to learn and to correct them.
Return of Mr Rudd could be accepted by electorate as willingness of the ALP to correct mistakes and to implement promised policies, if the ALP would manage to explain this properly to the public.
Taking into account all the circumstances of Mr Rudd's displacement and present deficit of political leaders capable to work as prime-minister, I do believe that such a chance should be given to Mr Rudd again.

Belly, when my mum was in a nursing home, it cost me $900 a fortnight. That was stretching me rather hard. I actually had to think if I could afford the petrol for the 60Km drive to see her some times. Another $50/60 a fortnight [or a couple of hundred more likely] would have meant it wasn't on.

We are all ready paying what the work is worth, or perhaps a bit more. You don't pay a cleaner nurse wages, or a trade assistant tradies wages.

Don't fool yourself about someone gently lifting anyone into bed either mate. They use a gantry, like an automotive engine crane. It's like watching a bag of wheat getting hoisted onto a truck.

Yes some were great, but I had to get very loud to stop some of them wheeling her table, with her water on it, too far from the bed for to reach, just so it looked tidy. Some of the staff were not too bright, & took a lot of training.

Andreas what lesson can Rudd have learnt?

Not to be an idiot.

Not to go off half cocked, with our money.

How to listen.

Not to think big Oz is good.

Not to crawl to the UN.

How to be a valuable human being, you've got to be kidding.

He's going to be a lying conniving KRudd as long as he lives, just like his nemesis.

AB sorry I have not directly addressed you before in this thread.
I agree, with every word every thought.
Expressed in both your last post and every thought you put here.
Only my unquestionable belief in Bill Shorten pulls me up short of total support for Rudd.
The problem is Shorten seems not to want it ,yet.
Or understands the party is not ready for him ,yet.
Just maybe, given the way Rudd went, only his return can do it, Gillard never can.
Hasbeen, truly you baffle and concern me, often, yet you impress me sometimes too.
I mostly fear such as you, you would not wish me to lie to hide that?
Your payment for your mum is commendable, your visits too.
In I take it very good care? are we talking Government or private.
Are you aware, any idea how very little these people are paid.
One fifth less than others doing much the same.
A truth must be highlighted, you talk often of past possessions present ones and a lifestyle I never had.
But some of these working folk wiping the bottoms of our loved ones do not earn enough to EVER own anything.
I too spent my money on fuel, a nightly drive of 200klm for 7 weeks, my food money, to visit my mum every night.
She made it home, against all odds.
But spent many weeks many times in such care.
I, unlike some, value the memory's of carers who lived a life of hardship just as I did.
But gave their best to those who needed it.
Hasbeen,if yours was the standard response to fair wages for workers, this country would be a sad war like place, not unlike the middle east.
Please stop referring to posters as idiots.
We all have a portrait in our homes of the most likely fool we will ever know.
Mine is the mirror yours too.

Pelican, the gravy train I was referring to was the governments piggy bank.

Anyone who buys a cheaper imported item on line, or, who seeks out a cheaper international flight than Qantas, or, who buys the cheaper imported item from the supermarket is the real cause of this delema we now face.

It is also they who have the power to change most of what is happening right now, by simp,y saying" we have had enough!

Enough of the cheaper imported foods.

Enough of the budget airlines costing Australian jobs.

Enough of the cheap imports sold on h likes of E Bay.

We all know dammed well that each Time we do any of these we are placing the jobs of our own people at risk.

It's not rocket science!

Finally, rud is a dud!

It's just that gillar dis even worse.

You lot should be more worried about what will happen if the libs get a strong leader.
It would at the very least show all whether you vote for who is best for the country, or, labor just because you are brain washed.

Belly, I can see your point, but, how much can you pay a totally unskilled worker, who cleans the floors in a nursing home? How close should their pay be to that of the qualified nurse, treating the patients?

Then go one step further. Most of the costs will not be paid by those like us, who could almost afford it, for a short time. Some of us have an asset, [20 acres in my case], which preclude us from being eligible for welfare, but have very little money. I had to borrow to cover mums costs.

Most costs will be paid by government, the tax payer, as such a large number of those in nursing homes are fully funded. OK, as it should perhaps, most paid all their life for this. If they don't pay, what other services will you cut to pay for it?

Still, where is that $2b going to come from. Julia doesn't give it to us, it has to come from somewhere. Your kids, & grand kids have been signed up to pay this.

Then where will it stop. As all the skilled workers in the sector will see their legitimate margin above the unskilled as diminished, & will expect a similar pay increase. Don't they deserve it?

Not disagreeing with you, just looking a few blocks further down the road at those unintended consequences.

Skills must be rewarded. It was lack of equitable reward for skill & training that killed the eastern communist system.