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Return of Kevin Rudd would be beneficial
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Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 12 November 2011 11:43:19 AM
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Rudd looks good –but, only in comparison to Gillard.
Rudd was the smiley face with the surefire plan to save the world. Soon after taking the primeministership he jetted to the Bali clambake promising to ratify Kyoto. You might remember, Howard had refused to ratify it till it bound countries like India & China. And for that, the left (both labor and the greens) ridiculed him big time. The left made much of the claim that climate change was almost all due to the activities of the developed world. And if we committed to Kyoto, the rest of the world would naturally & quickly fall into line. Well, many years have now passed: Rudd has ratified Kyoto; Gillard has ratted on Rudd ; And the Greens are ratting on everyone! But guess what ? The left was so successful in marketing the meme that it was all the big bad Wests fault, that now the underdeveloped world is demanding even more Cargo Cult contributions before they’ll move a finger. From the AFR 10/11/2011: “Developing countries …are now demanding that developed nations sign up to second Kyoto commitment “ And away from the warmist faithful downunder, still awaiting the second coming, much of the world is now a lot more cynical. From the AFR 10/11/2011: “US, Japan, Canada and Russia are indicating they will not sign up to an agreement that does not bind all major emitters” Even the ALP is beginning to sound decidedly Howardish. From the AFR 10/11/2011: “Parting with the approach of former prime minister Kevin Rudd, Mr Combet signaled Australia would not recommit to the Kyoto Protocol unless big emitter such as China agreed to lock in existing pledges to reduce emissions” No, we don't want Snugglepot back. But that doesn't mean we're happy with Cuddlepie.And we don't want to hear any more of their stories about the big bad Banksia Men warming the world, either! Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 12 November 2011 3:41:18 PM
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As far as pollution goes, most of us have been cleaning up our acts for years.
You rely have to ask yourself, what's the use of the cleanest environment if ther are no jobs. Full stop! If we were unchanged in our polluting ways, from the 70 ,s and 8o,s, I would say ok, but we are not. I note with interest we have received global accolades for our introduction of the carbon tax. Does this mean the rest of the world thi ms it's a great idea, or does it mean they will follow suit. My bet is they will watch us first and see what effects it has on our fragile economy. Somehow, I don't think the smaller omitters were meant to be the global test pilots, more like the sacrificial lambs. As for going to war, yes JH started our involvement, I still don't forgive him, but I have to wonder though if he would have tolerated the number of deaths that have occurred under the current governments watch. I somehow doubt it. Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 12 November 2011 6:13:18 PM
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Dear Rehctub,
May I respond borrowing your manner and logic: what's the use of jobs if people are getting sicker and sicker due to pollution. Full stop! Posted by Andreas Berg', Saturday, 12 November 2011 7:13:27 PM
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Deary me, Lexi, don't start preaching about fairness in our society.
West Australian farmers export most of their production, something one would think would be good for the country and should be encouraged. Yet your beloved carbon tax will slug them around 6% of their income. Now if they were slugging librarians and architects 6% of their incomes, you would be hollering loudly about unfairness. Give me a good reason why WA farmers should be slugged 6% of their incomes and not librarians or architects, to pay your wonderful tax. Other then your pure self interest of course. Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 12 November 2011 9:18:17 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbotts-no-dead-cert-20111112-1nco1.html
Link leads to a well written story. Unlike some comments we see often it is quite balanced. And tells it much as it is and was in both camps. We should remember, understand, a good number of the frothing at the mouth comments here, come from deep dislike/bias/and not from understanding. I remain convinced Labors threat is in clear sight. Informed commentators know and have known. Abbott is resembling a Circus performer. His twisting and turning, backward, [a term I often associate with his actions]on policy's. He introduced the stupid grossly so, middle class welfare baby bonus thing. Then took it back. He wants of shore but will not support it. He said no to 12% super then yes. A look any brief one, at his proposals, must concern his followers. Almost but not as much, as any belief Abbott's fall increases Gillards chances. NO! please! Julia Gillard/Tony Abbott prop each other up. As if both are Saturday nigh drunks fighting over a telegraph poll to learn on. Both gain ONLY from the fact the public dislikes the other. Kevin! bring it on. Posted by Belly, Sunday, 13 November 2011 5:35:05 AM
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There are also those in our society who
protest strongly against the right of ordinary people
asking for increases in their wages yet they don't
protest at the huge salary increases of CEOs.
Plainly it's just wrong that full-time working women earn
on average one fifth less than men. That equates to women
working seven weeks a year for free.
For too long Australia has undervalued workers in the social
and community services, the vast majority of them women.
Workers in this sector have been underpaid for too long
because their work is viewed as women's work. They work in
incredibly challenging jobs including:
1)Working with people with disabilities.
2)Counselling families in crisis.
3) Running homeless shelters.
4) Working with victims of violence or sexual assault.
These people deserve to be properly rewarded for their work.
Yet there are those whose ideology seems to be that of
greed. the politics of money and power. This leaves no
room for social equity, or the idea of an egalitarian
society.