Nan or nanny, not used as much in my day as Granny.
But I think a nanny is some one we trust to watch our kids.
Remember the feeling?
Our much loved Gran's keeping us with the smaller kids and wanting to bust loose?
Well just maybe nothing has changed.
If you needed a hug and band aid Nan was the one we went to, if she hugged you in front of the little kids?
I think we always need a granny/nanny just in case.
And I think like those trees, should they fall or not fall, we will always blame nanny.
But most of all if she is not their we will hold our breath stamp our feet .
We change little.

Belly as we grow up the role of those nanny's should change unless we are severely impaired.

There are those who need their nanny to do those things but for adults it's not healthy. Nanny's should (and generally do) know better and it's not surprising that most adults would be less than enthused by a nanny still trying to treat them as a child.

R0bert

face up to facts that we have excluded them.
kartiya jim,
If you were to observe the situation more soberly then you'd find that most indigenous are actually excluding themselves deliberately. As for my moaning well, at least there's a truth to my facts unlike much the guilt industry's discrimination catch crying.

Individual,

You make a very good point about self-exclusion - ten years ago, a high proportion of Indigenous university students were studying externally, very often in Indigenous-focussed courses, and were living in country towns, at least here in SA. Over the past decade, those numbers have plummeted, mainly but not only, as lower-level (2-year) Indigenous-focussed diploma courses were wound down, but I suspect more because the pool of willing (and often desperate) students had been tapped.

Rural and remote populations don't seem to be making use of the opportunities which, I'm sure, they have known about for decades. CDEP/welfare seems to be the preferred option: home duties, mowing their own lawns, Toyota rangers, those sorts of onerous workloads.

When my wife Maria tried to set up a Study Centre in her home community, the question was, "Can we still get CDEP?" She didn't get a single person interested over six months of trying, and was quite devastated. Many people there were enrolled in the same TAFE course, year after year, one essay (all essays word-for-word identical with the word-for-word identical essay from the previous year) per semester. One young couple was on close to $ 800 per week, both were on both CDEP and Study Grant, for effectively two days work a year. Sometimes welfare provides a good, easy life, don't you think ?

Meanwhile, a record number of Indigenous people decided in 2010 to stand up on their hind legs like actual human beings and commence university study, more than five thousand. Time will tell soon enough who are the heroes, Jim.

Joe

Joe while I understand your view mine is a bit different.
Look nobody knows more than me, big statement but prepared to back it up.
Some just will not have a go.
I tend to blame us all, yes them too, but what is the wanted out come?
I want every kid educated, every person who can work, any color to work not get the dole.
Work not be carried, and those jobs should be ones we have put out to private enterprise.
AND those jobs must be done very well and at a price.
So we need to nanny even father some.
I am truly sorry, Individual we clash almost every post, but your post come back to me as uncaring.
RObert, mate, do you concede we have the right to try to stop smoking? if no are we to pay the costs of smoking?
Do we have the right to control drinking age, road speeds, are some more in need of Nanny's than others.
What nanny state issue IRKS you.
Those trees back up the thread, one, very very big one, fell in a park near me.
Half the community insulted the local council for removing it.
The other half KNEW it had blown down in a gale.
Knew also the council had called in experts to try to save it.
So they? complained the council should have removed it before the gale.
Every event can be blamed on nanny state.

Jo , A few Questions if you don't mind ?
Did your wife get support from men and women Elders to get her Courses going ?
Also what were the Courses?
At what stage of Westernisation were the bulk of the Community Members and was the Community a cohesive balanced Group without severe Social Problems ?
Lastly ,Did she get enough support from the Governments Federal and State to get everyone on board ?