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Ta Anti.

Will read it later on today.

SD
Posted by Shaggy Dog, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:08:28 AM
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My defense of trade unions side tracked me.
I had intended a wider path.
PENALTY RATES I will get more pain than gain out of this.
But driven by an understanding the future in IR even if conservatives win two or even three terms is EBA negotiation.
Penalty rates exist to as I have said put fences around the hours worked.
And to reward those, not every worker will, who put in the extra hours.
Out come needed in My view before trade off?
Set days and hours that can be worked under proposed system.
Needed because some workplaces over night would want to transform to 3 shift 7 days work.
2 forms of employment.
those who will work over time those who will not.
Potentual trade off follows.
First reason for trade off,need to keep jobs in this country decrease CASUALS IN THE WORKPLACE.
Proposal
a look at annual amount of over time worked in that workplace.
Value of it given say 100 points being one dollar.
Boss receives as his dividend 20 percent cut in total over time bill.
Workers get flat rate all hours, but.
All extra hours worked bring 80, of what they once did.
half credited to employees annual leave.
Half paid as extra superannuation.
Long term that super contribution makes up for any workers loss plus.
Boss while still costing more saves on his past annual wage costs.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 11:23:28 AM
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I am not asking for a race to the bottom.
Grit your teeth and scream union thuggery.
But we must too remember some bosses would take this and turn it to junk.
Superannuation is a worry we far too many off us,refuse to truly manage our personal super.
Some bosses sell our super! to funds that reward them! trips holidays ! our money!
Some schemes exist, truth, that ask you to pay ALL YOUR OWN CONTRIBUTIONS TO LEAVE EARLY!
So yes super but get the grubs out of the system they exist, get your super in one fund now not two or three.
Workers from the first days of superannuation have taken pay cuts for extra payments in to super.
This could be trade off country but always keep it honest and safe.
Now what about the best workers,the ones who came for the money?
They never will except my scheme and they will always find a boss who will pay more than average for them.
So in truth no single plan will work for every job.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 11:34:52 AM
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Sheesh Belly, methinks you should go back to work, you clearly
miss your old job :)
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 12:26:45 PM
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Glad to hear you think yabby, some times
A thousand ideas ten times that exist.
productivity in the workplace is always going to matter.
How about this.
All overtime within usual patterns,paid single time
In exchange for 2 extra weeks annual leave and super paid at 16%
Remember, do not forget, some work places work no over time some work 60 or 70 hour weeks.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 4:09:34 PM
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Oh Belly, I have far better ideas then any union man.

Flat rate, all included for each hour worked, call
them a contractor. Everyone is happy.

But I know that you union blokes like to think that
you are needed :)

Qantas, benchmark salaries and conditions with
other global airlines. Let employees share a fixed
share of the profits, if the company makes money.

Workers interests need to be aligned with shareholders
interests, so that its a win-win. Alot of your unions
are still all about them and us. It will send more
Australian companies to the wall. All Australians
will lose. All very sad really, they need yet more
pain to learn. So be it.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 5:59:34 PM
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