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Can we discuss matters of race any more on OLO?

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"In Bolt's case, he clearly vilified not only a race, but particular group of individuals identifying themselves with that race, in their individual circumstances", is what I stated Bazz.

Implying that this was done for the advantages of being indigenous is in itself inaccurate for there are no real advantages in being indigenous in our country, unless you are making a comparison with the poorest of the poor or some other disadvantaged group. Doesn't this connotation vilify a race in itself Bazz ?.

Bolt goes on too refer to individuals in his article whom (in his view) fit the fictional category of claiming to be indigenous for financial advantage, as I understand it.

This stirring of the public imagination for political purposes is becoming the norm in both our politics and our media, to our social detriment. Thanks to the judge in this case, a line in the sand has been drawn. Scurrilous drum beating such as the stocking trade of the Andrew Bolt's and Alan Jones's of the world should be taken with a pinch of salt in the minds of thinking Australians.
Posted by thinker 2, Saturday, 1 October 2011 2:36:28 PM
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Thinker 2: "there are no real advantages in being indigenous in our country"

But there are advantages in being an Aboriginal advocate or an advocate of any kind that can manage to get Government funding, which was Bolt's point, I think. Given the singular failure of such advocates to make much of an improvement in the lives of ordinary Aboriginal people, indeed it could be argued (and has been, by Noel Pearson most notably) that such advocacy is simply a drain on resources that could otherwise be used to effect, as well as actively distorting the way in which resources are allocated.

As long as government hands out money to some people based on the needs of some other people there will be an incentive for some people to take advantage - black, white, yellow, red whatever.
Posted by Antiseptic, Saturday, 1 October 2011 3:12:44 PM
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http://www.racismnoway.com.au/about-racism/understanding/index-what.html

"Contemporary expressions of racism which have emerged in
recent years deal with notions of nationhood which are seen
as incompatible with diversity."

"These racist beliefs are
expressed in various stereotyped views of who the "real"
Australians are."

"This form of racism is based on an
ideology of national culture in which minority cultures are
regarded as alien and a threat to social cohesion."

"These attitudes are widely discussed in the media where they
are presented as reasonable and commonsense and reflected through
media images that do not accurately portray Australia's cultural
diversity. In this way, racist ideologies are expressed and
reinforced through a process of group interaction and thereby
are absorobed into popular culture."

"These racist beliefs are also at the core of the resentment
expressed by some people at measures taken by governments to
address the disadvantages of particular groups of people."

"Affirmative measures are frequently seen as the preferential
treatment of one group at the expense of another rather than
the means of redressing the disadvantage inherent in society."

"Examples include opposition to Aboriginal land rights, calls
for the removal of special benefits for particular groups and
resentment towards the provision of English language support
for migrants. These beliefs are compounded by the notion that
treating all people in the same way equates to equity and
social justice, when in fact not everyone begins life with the
same opportunities."

"This resentment often finds expression in the belief that
"reverse racism," is occurring. The notion of reverse racism is
that people from the dominant culture are being discriminated
against and are not receiving the same benefits as people
from minority groups."

"This damages communities by
limiting the contributions of its members and disrupts
peaceful co-existence and co-operation between groups. It
damamges individuals by destroying self-confidence and
preventing them from achieving their potential. It is
particularly damaging for children as it hampers social
development and limits educational opportunities."

"The consequences of all this is social injustice, a less
productive economy and a divided community. Clearly detrimental,
not only for its victims but to society as a whole."
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 1 October 2011 4:34:31 PM
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There are a few facts being missed here. One is that Bolt was not found guilty of "racial vilification" or even racial discrimination. He was found guilty of upsetting some Aborigines because he questioned their claim to be Aborigines. If you read the judgement you will see a long explanation by the judge as to why he can make a finding under the act even though Bolt has not discriminated. You can see the discussion from 191 on.

Another fact is Marr's "fact" that all the people named identified as Aborigines from childhood. It may have been something that was strategically conceded by Bolt's counsel in the trial because it was not seen as an issue that needed to clutter-up their argument.

Take Larissa Behrendt who is discussed at 117 and on. I've read the summary of her position from the judgement and it is hard to completely square it with this interview that she gave the Sydney Morning Herald just over a year ago. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/lunch-with-larissa-behrendt-20100917-15gbs.html.

And for those not interested in just point scoring, please read the judgement not assume that you know what is in there or rely on some secondary source pushing their own barrow http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2011/1103.html
Posted by GrahamY, Saturday, 1 October 2011 4:35:02 PM
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Taken from the article by David Marr cited earlier:

"Here's Bolt on Larissa Behrendt."

"She's won many positions and honours as an Aborigine,
including the David Unaipon Award for Indigenous Writers,
and is often interviewed demanding special rights for
'my people.' But which people are 'yours exactly mein
liebchen? And isn't it bizarre to demand laws to give you more
rights as a white Aborigine than your own white dad?"

As Marr Points out: "Among the problems here are that
Behrendt's father was a black Australian, not a white
German, and like all the others, Behrendt was raised black.
Judge Bromberg wrote," She denies Mr Bolt's suggestion
that she chose to be Aboriginal and says that she never
had a choice, she has always been Aboriginal and has
'identified as Aboriginal before I can remember."

"Bolt did not contest her evidence."
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 1 October 2011 5:32:26 PM
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Lexi, Lexi, Lexi.In your opinion they're "Racists", you only call them that because they're White, anti Racism is a code word for Anti White.
There's no such thing as "Reverse Racism", it's another Anti Racist strawman argument, proposing that dumb people think that White Australians are being disadvantaged in relation to Aborigines.
It's an idea held by nitwits if at all, if Anti Racists think they're beating back a tide of deep seated or institutional racism by indulging in their favorite pastime of attacking those they deem inferior then it's no wonder the Left are so despised by healthy, normal White people.
"Bogans" are an easy target for wimpy middle class intellectuals, journalists and bloggers who've never been punched in the face over something they've said.
Those of us who live and work around "Bogans" listen to them and try to point them in the right direction, we don't demonise or dehumanise them on the basis of Race or presumed intellectual capacity.
Being a snotty smartarse and talking down to people about "Diversity" is a quick way to earn yourself a bunch of fives.

Lexi would you kindly name one middle class, educated "Racist" individual or like minded group? I've requested this of you before and had no reply.
Name the serious players on the organised ideological "Racist" scene.
I've also pointed out previously that there are dozens of "Anti Racist" groups,reading and discussion cirdles and publications, there is even an "Anti Racism Australia" registered at an address in Adelaide.
Name one registered,openly operating "Racist" group, club or association.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 1 October 2011 8:01:07 PM
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