My Dearest Belly,
I can 'read' your blood pressure rising, your thoughts and beliefs are your own, as are mine, do not be angered by the foolish rhetoric of others.
Have a great day my friend,
NSB

Oh dear ... runner:

Whenever someone (say newly-weds, parents and the like) take out a housing loan/mortgage, they are going into deficit, very quickly.

Typically, this deficit lasts for 25 years or so. Some people even think this is good for the economy.

Going by your logic, runner - that is idiotic and their bums should be smacked. Do you have a housing loan, runner? Should your bottom be spanked?

Australia's debt per GDP is less than those "idiotic" parents and certainly far much less than countries like the US or UK. The deficit will become a surplus in much less than 25 years, runner.

For all OLO conspiracy theorists;

Why do you think the self-flagellating Abbott is trotting all over Australia giving sermons to his 'church', bellowing that the coal industry will be destroyed, the jobs will be lost, and families will be broken when in fact;

Coal industry investment is expanding, coal exports are increasing, coal jobs are going gang-busters, and there is a truck-load of benefits for those families living off the industry?

To break through your dissonance of cognition, runner - the coal industry will be around a long time yet - horses for courses, despite your 'Green' shill about wind farms.

NSB Mate know I am in control always.
I have a deep belief we all should not become diplomats.
That is turn away from things rather than make waves.
Truth is of great value.
In fact on line we will clash minor stuff, because some views are only seen here folks avoid those with them in real life.
Bazz been working Sydney and even Tazzy its working.

ps: Bazz

The UNFCCC conference in Durban will be (as they always have been) about how and when to act (adaptation to, and mitigation against, climate change) and who will be doing the action (and who will not).

Ergo ... a bun-fight with world-wide politics, economics and cultural diversity in your face, up close and personal.

COP-17 will NOT be about the science, although many people wrongly think otherwise.

The science will be widely exposed and reported in the IPCC's 5th presentation in a few years time, as you should know.

I think you are doing scientists (and science itself) a disservice by saying "science under the AGW is shifting" when you clearly don't know, and the IPCC AR5 has not even been completed.

Bonmot, I am just going by the few items I read about people who work
in the field either modifying their views, or having some doubts.
I have not logged these items so I cannot provide a bibliography on it.
It is just a sense I have of a changing picture.

Yes Bazz, & oh so quickly. Hence the rush to try to get some extra taxes, & greenie control, in place, before it's too late.

And the effort to make repealing the garbage, when it is proven so wrong, much harder.

Have a look at JoNova's site & the list of peer reviewed new research papers all refuting the false hypothesis of CO2 induced catastrophic warming, which the Labor speaker would not permit to be tabled in parliament.

That is why this boat people fiasco important as it is, is only a side show, distracting from the magnitude of the carbon dioxide tax they want to get through, before it is too late.

Once the magnitude of the con is exposed, there will be many ex, & retired MPs who will not want to live in Australia, if they have voted for this cr4p.