Poirot,

The AFA addresses religion’s mistakes. What individual atheists think about consumerism etc is not the direct concern of the AFA.

Maybe you could point to a previous time in which to be alive would have been a far more rewarding experience for those examples you mention.

And what would that ‘better’ time be if you were, say, a woman, lesbian or gay, poor, diseased or even a horse?

Utopian dreams are a long way off and possibly not achievable but that doesn’t mean we should live by rules invented by goat herders and interpreted by the deluded.

You might say that is a bit harsh and condescending and I would retort with the question, were the folk who adhered to the 34,000 other than your religion, deluded. The Romans, the Aztecs, American Indians, Indians, Aboriginals, The Norse etc etc.

An answer saying it is all the one and same god is far more condescending to billions of people than something I could ever achieve.

David

but our form function organised
[causal ..qualitive/quantitive,*energy lIVES on

just as the good of god
is the only constant in truth
by how you chose to expend your energy
predetermines thy form/function

gods natural forming qualities..[life]
natural form..[energy]..

cant be CREATED
nor destroyed*

you claim it does*

Yet i claim it dont...you cant

Where is *your evidence?

its all by..happenstance
or chance?

lol

that mass..dont mean the visable..[seen],potential
of the causal energy..[unseen]

that form..dont determine function?

you built your faith/lessness..on shakey ground

but mate we..were all children...weak in our faithlessness

frail thus making teaching based on nuthing..
[materialistic huH-man frailty]
calling inherant truths..
laws of..lol science

or worse speculative tHEO-ry

till we got enough real facts
to sort the spin from the lies and distill essential TRUTHS

the truth..lies somewhere
in between form and function

[more shall be given]..

all that smoke and flame
bluster and namecalling

form/function you are
that form and fuction..is basic energy..
[spirit..life essence]..[cause]..and the cause is inherantly GOOD..[god]

that is the only known known..in the end

only you..and that you chose to do
with the gifts..god gave you

with no obligation or duty
but to have fun with it all
love god..by loving neighbour

[changing that you can change
accepting and trying to have love/grace/mercy
for that you cant change..[ie to love neighbour..thus loving good/god
sustaining them their lives tOO*

and who is not thy neighbour,
love the one your with

for god is even in there..TOO
you just gotta try to live..in love
[its easy if you try]

forget blame shame
god is one..[that we do/did for the least

we do done did..
for to or with..god spark..within us all]

once you know god is love..
you can commune with love..[good]/god..one to one

knowing*..your only angry
at yourself..

all you can hurt is you

lord
if only
you knew...how great thou art

isnt it time we all knew it?

ohhh goody..david speaks

but paul was first

the 10 commandments..[great stuff]
like the law reads thou shalt not MURDER*
[not thou shalt not kill]

but the biggest law is....[drum roll]
do not adulterate gods word
[to wit the law against adultery]

its a shame you athiests cant read what was written
and im over trying to explain[read the darn books yourselfs]

that good and true[gracefull and mercyfull...
comes from god via angels

[the evil vile bad stuff..
comes from the jinn[demons]
who feed off your love of evil

thats the key to scripture
[and just about..*every thought you have]

the law reads..'more of the same*..shall be given'..
so be carefull..what you CHOSE to think..into you soul*

next[oh ammonium night-rate]
there is plenty of bannas for all
but its more fun to share the love..
of a good woman or man.

paul/back again?
yes life of brian is great
[mate find the brian...within you]

ohh good here is the woot hoot
talking about thermo=dynamics
[the fires of hell are fueled by hate..[passion that burns]

i get my energy direct
from doing good

do you feel drained of energy?
[thats demons sucking up bad vibes..

to remove them from your aura..think thoughts of love
its like garlick is supoposed to be for vampires]..evil cant come near

think of it like the smallest light
drives away the darkest night

[but one bad thought[leaven..yeast].
..leaven's the whole batch]

[one bad thought lets the vile in..
then your door is open to thieves]

im not allowed to get upset mate

i got plenty of demons waiting for the oppertuinity
my getting upset would offer them

[heck where ya think
my nasty streak comes from?]

mate one day one of you lot will covince me
that there is no god...i dread that day mate
[not for me..[or you]..to worry though..i KNOW he is]

so be gratefull for small mercies
heck a cluster of athiest..
all in the same room

mate
i dont want the temptation
but knowing god dont judge no-one
[nope still not tempted..anyhow keep the love]

where love is
evil has no chance

I wonder what makes some religious folk not see that by their words and actions they do nothing but drive people away from the very god idea proposed in such ridiculous manners.

Is this strange methodology just arrogance in the thought of possessing special knowledge that others do not have?

Is it a cry of pain from a human being that it exists and is important when the desired importance is an evasive illusion?

Could it be loneliness, which brings on the look-at-me antics with total disregard to the reactions by others?

Is the anguish of life only resolvable by the imagined thought, if held strongly enough, that it will be repealed in another life?

I don’t wish to add to the burden of such people but I see many cases where help is needed but maybe that is the problem, help has been tried but was ineffective.

Very sad.

David

lol OUG.

I haven't 'built my faithlessness', I just don't believe the claims of you and your ilk.

Other than that, hot air, flapping of arms, assumptions of your god, madly trying to turn the spotlight away from your lack of evidence.

Simple really, the hypocrisy burns. You have no evidence at all, yet hold up like a graven image your requirement that if anyone is to question your claim, they must have answers themselves.

How's it look from your pedestal? :)

Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to an awesome time, with awesome realistic people that want to work toward maintaining our secular nation so that all of us, yes even you OUG, can live together in equality.

Unfortunately it takes pointing out that the beliefs that give your ilk the privilege in society is based upon naught, zilch, nothing. It breeds folk like yourself that cannot see the good in people unless they believe your claims, that spout absolute nonsense in the vain effort to detract from their obviously absent super leprechaun.

Keep flapping those arms OUG, you are one of the best adverts for atheism I have seen in a while :)

paul..sister mary..listend to demon's

heck mate..even if you going to hell
[with ya mates..all there..how bad can that be]

think mate hell is relitive
you wouldnt be happy in heaven anyhow
all them pslam singing hypocrites..
[heck even i would think that to be hell]

in truth mate..this place is for you to find that you love
[to sort the sheep from the goats..the insest child perverts from the aithiest vivasectionists][and mate the vivsectionist hell mate...is just non-stop..with vivsectionists..LOVING..cutting into EACH OTHER]

just like the murders hell is JUST those WHO love muder
mudering ONLY each other[for eterrnity]

god acceopts this because he knows in time we repent that 'love'
and evolve up [or down]..to the next 'love'[recall the holy messenger/christ..saying''mine fathers house has many rooms''

so athiest hell is full of those in denial
[those saying im dead..i KNOW im dead
im only dreaming..[or whatever the heck athiest's think
when the truth FINALLY hits them in the ego of reality..in the eternal afterlife]

anyhow paul..that seems about that..[till after 6pm]
it will comfort you to know more of the xtian hell
[it lies just into the darkzone]..of hell
but im assured that there is a much darker hell where many get into

those who dont got good works
or are faux xtians are on the cusp of hell
where only a little light comes..the better xtians emerge into gradually more light[and as for the darkness..the worse they love to be..the darker the hell zone they dwell in]

its all rather simple
a good athiest..will emerge into the light
a bad..will emerge into the dark...its all relitive

each creed..has its own levels of heaven and hell
till finally we get into the higher/brighter levels
where childish/creed..has fallen by the wayside

spirit has the bigger concerns..with those
INDOCTRINATED into WAITING,..for a judgnment
or a reserction day..[that darn freewill law]

..means..if you CHOSE to sleep
till a day..that CAN NEVER COME..thats your choice

we dont judge
one can only..*CHOSE to condem oneself

so forget creed
try..to love one and other
[ie..love god..by loving other]