http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBjY_6PRPe0&feature=related

There you go. The true/truth thoughts of man, told by man and the war lords of the dessert....were which seen as hatred between camel and moron.

This is why the many see you for what you are.

Times do, and will change.

So saith the writen hand of man.

cactus:)

"great
lets hear it?"
I gave it to you silly billy. Typical theist quote mining. It was in the very next sentence. "I think the most interesting, yet still not claim it as a truth, is that a quantum foam has always existed"

Now you seem to agree with this, but the difference is, I don't claim it as a truth. Science is a methodology. You claim that there is form, and that form is intelligent, and that form is your god. Well present your evidence! Behold, the religionist ducks and weaves.

The only thing the religionist OUG has, is to try and divert attention from supporting the claim, as their claim is vacuous.

"mate..look deeply into your brain[not your mind] your brain has electrical activity as does your muscles and heart etc"

Yes, but please show evidence for your claim that this electricity is an image.

"your whole body..'works'.. because all this electicity..[energy]"

Our whole body, and everything is energy. Electricity is just one form of energy. Our whole body works because of our bones too. It works because of our blood, everything.

"... that CANNOT BE DESTROYED..nor created"

Yet you claim it was. Where is your evidence??

good point runner

thanks catus:}..[i think]

moot quote..""Typical theist quote mining.""

mate i quoted in full
you selecyivly mined two quotes

so lets go with your 2 selective points
[oh did you hear the news today
they finally found adam..of the gaps]

the link betwixt man and beast
who was expelled from the garden..on his own two legs

""I think the most interesting,
yet still not claim it as a truth,
is that a quantum foam has always existed""

al*ways means..IT..MUST still be here
please show it to me

""You claim that there is form""

yes look at the shape of your hand

"",and that form is intelligent,""

no i say it is caused by inteligence
moved by thought

and that form is FORMED by your god.

""Well present your evidence!""

ok as my koranic brothers ask
''MAKE BUT ONE..just like it''

so my question my brother
is reveal mans[sciences best formed hand
*and make it function

it will be nothing like
the one god formed for all of us
[each with our own face..our own mind..our own thoughts]

i say god forms natural form
natural form then select's his own..according to his nature
[gods form of natural selection...as opposed to science selection

[tell me brrrother..what is 'natural
about science selection"

why use they GODS given 'natural selection'
..to validate 'science selection?]

""to try and divert attention
from supporting their SCIENCTIFIC alternate claim's,
as their claim of natural selection as a science..lol..is vacuous.

you quoting me..

"your brain[not your mind]
your brain has electrical activity..
as does your muscles and heart etc"

Aaaaand .. round and round the garden, the theist yet again makes the claim for an intelligent super entity, with no evidence, calling for evidence. flap flap flap.

You say it was moved by thought, please show the evidence.

The problem is OUG, you are making a claim with absolutely no evidence. You assume your god exists unless I can show that it could not. You are madly trying to get me to provide an answer and if I can't, you then just claim you win by default, hypocritically providing no evidence yourself.

You are ducking and weaving in the spotlight widdle wabbit.

You hold a position on a claim that the universe and everything cannot be due to naturalistic explanations, I hold that you have not shown how naturalistic explanations are impossible, until then you cannot discount them.

I am not claiming there is no god, simply that I do not have the belief in the claims that you have the answer that there is one. That's what an atheist is, a non believer.

So until you can show me any evidence for your claims and not just simply assert them, thinking you are oh so clever, the pride oozing off you and in your words, I'll just wait. I think the best methodology toward working towards facts is the scientific method. All you offer is the leap to a conclusion, with no evidence.

I'll be joining with thousands like me, from the millions all over the world that are happy, good and loving without your god, in a celebration of reason :) It's so much more fulfilling to talk to people that don't claim they know everything but are willing to investigate the possibilities based on sound logical reasoning, to discuss them without the massive leap of ego that makes the arrogant assumption that the whole of the universe was made just for them.

The burden of proof is on you OUG, and all flapping of arms isn't helping.

part/2..
part 3..@2pm

lets get it back to
the smallest visable..divisable

all 'matter'..is made/created
from atoms/electrons protons etc

to wit magnetic like attraction
or energy..*in form and FUN-ction

you replie.."Yes,but
please show evidence..for your claim
that this electricity..is an image.""

it has both form*..*and function..[*]

it is even materially/percievable..here...by heat imaging
and at cerns...and ibm..and electron microscopes..encecolographs

a russion dude..even claims
to be able to photograph aura'l immages

but regardless..its ALL energy..
in a collective stasis..that creates
its form and function..yet is basicly energy..in apparent stasis

[ie has mass...recall e=mc2?]

[ok i dis*agree..that e=mc2 is clever
but..its accepted science..lol

{energy equals mass
times the speed of light
times the speed of light..]..

scienctific gibberish..
BUT accepted science fact..
[by you and yer mates..indesputably]

[hence science rule one..
[energy can*t be created..NOR destroyed]

mate ITS A RULE/..a law of science..!

[you know..'true' science..ie not evolving theory]

[me].."your whole body..'works'..
because all this..*electicity..[energy/mass]"

you..""Our whole body,
and everything is energy."'

[in form/function]..

yes
basicly..we agree

""Electricity..is just one form of energy.""

form is a fuction..OF electicity like vibrating moving [cyclic]..attractions
[form*/affect...cause re-action..as mass and function]..

with set qualitive determinates..
many measurable by the tools of science
but with many more beyond materialistic control
or even materialistic observances..[yet in spirit form/function lives on]

..but..

yes i agree

but think this further my brrrrother

an atom...with its protons neutrons electrons etc
must*..have an electrical sig-nature..

to wit EVEN at the atomic level
the quadrillions of bits..of energy..as mass
IN YOUR FORM/function..have an elec-trick...definitive type sig-nature..[inherant constant qualities]..energy/function/form*

""""our bones too.""

are formed of..
atoms/electrons..protons etc
mater plus an organisative qualitie8..that defines its function

all acting
within their basic form/fun-ction..[definitive material bound's]

It works because..THE INDIVIDUAL BASIC BITS
that make up everything..bone/our blood,flesh..flowers meat..

*everything...has mass/form or function..thus is
potentially and primarilly..that definitivly inherant
as its true..form/function..energy*

...that base form/function/utility
*CANNOT BE DESTROYED..

nor created*..
its basis..*is energy..[spirit*]

cause its unseen AFFECT..result's
survives in its basics..cause*..

with resultant..[form and fuction]
as spiruitualised energy..[aether*]

from dirt..we came
to the dust..[and spirit/..
*energy]..doth..return*...&..2PM

I am very interested in the 10 commandments. Are they not the basis of the core beliefs of Christianity? The most contentious of these commandments is number 5 “Thou shalt not kill.” This commandment from God seems unequivocal no ifs or butts “Thou shalt not kill.” Other than a few minor Christian sects who practice pacifism the best known being “Quakers” the rest seem rather quick to rush off, and more often than not kill in the name of God. How do Christians justify mass killing for God, In the vast majority of cases it has been the killing of non Christians.
The notion that Christians could kill came about after the fall of Rome in 410AD Augustine formulated his notion of “Just War” as Christian pacifism had weakened the empire and many viewed Christians as not responsible citizens of the Roman state even though the Christian Church and Roman State had worked closely together since the time of the conversion of Constantine. Augustine felt it needed to be established that Christians could with a clear conscience assume their full obligations of citizenship and become willing participants in warfare.
Critics of Augustine pointed to the commandment and the teaching of Jesus with his message of love, humility and compassion claming “Just War” was incompatible with scripture. Augustine counted with a claim that there was no justification for literal obedience to scripture and concluded “The commandment forbidding killing was not broken by those who wage war on the authority of God, or those who have imposed the death-penalty on criminals when representing the authority of the state, the just and most reasonable source of power."
To this day there are those that still apply the “Augustinean Principle of Just War”, George Bush, John Howard and Tony Blair to name but three with the full blessing of millions of Christians.