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Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 27 August 2011 6:17:07 PM
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Arjay the great unwashed of the first world do not know who their most cunning and insidious enemy is, but most of the third world does, it’s their government. I have always considered the Americans naïve when it came to their knowledge of the true powerbrokers and string pullers that direct their nation. But a constant spin campaign from Hollywood and the media sold in a white hat/ black hat social psychology to the American plebs, and to the plebs “their America” certainly wore the white hat internationally and on every front.
Re Gunderson, all he said is true, but he knew the American government and it’s agencies were in the hands of the few families from Europe thirty years ago and still he made his livelihood from the ones he denounces now, old age and conscience changes the leopards spots. I could go back to the OSS and the way they viewed morality and humanity post WWII as displayed by the way they took the inteligencia of the NAZI regime into their inner circles while quite rightly vilified the rest of whom they had no use for, selective morality. The CIA was legislated in 1947 and hooked straight into the Eastern bloc, but they found time to meddle in the domestic affairs of non combatant nations such as in South America where The American Fruit Company did a load more than continue the rape and pillage of poorer nations. TBC Posted by sonofgloin, Sunday, 28 August 2011 10:58:25 AM
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Arjay you know what’s going on and I know what’s going on but a major percentage of plebs in the first world do not. WTC attack one was bogus, black flag, WTC attack two 911 was the same. This is what Larry Silverstein the leaseholder of WTC said to a Fire Commander about Building 7:
“WE HAVE HAD SUCH A TERRIBLE LOSS OF LIFE, THE SMART THING TO DO IS JUST “PULL IT” AND “THEY” (?) MADE THE DECISION TO PULL” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100 The conspiracy debunkers have lined up a load of demolition specialists to testify that PULL IT” is not an industry term, well Larry Silverman is not an industry guy, and when he said pull it, it came down. How , once you decide to demolish a 52 storey concrete building do you do it within an hour, you don’t. Why Silverstein opened his mouth at all is a mystery to me, too much Viagra that morning, feeling ballsy, just started a new commercial reality project with the first three demolitions underway. Anyway this man of some consequence did blab but to me that perhaps shows he knew of only a portion of the conspiracy, for if he knew it all he would have shut up, but he knew it was going to happen, they all did except the 3000 plus murdered by their own government. Posted by sonofgloin, Sunday, 28 August 2011 10:58:37 AM
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i wasnt gong to mention it
ut[there it was] how the cia[rda]...maniplulates the media http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php via opperation mocking/bird http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.php its not amasing how absolute power corrupts absolutly [we got the 'war' on drug users thanks to hoover and dupont] which is how the 'black ops' are financed] but hey the mugs who dont beliewve will never believe[thats why its only too easy to 'fool me once...twice..heck your whole life]..ignorance is no excuse and who runs the cia the most sad mossad..[ie zionists] who insured the uinsurance for 911..via israel [that paid off instantly..thus neatly preventing 'underwriters'..from their own investigations] but it runs deeper to with the twin towers 'pools' that are built as a 'gateway' to hell[to unleash him who has ben chained in hell for 1000 years] but irene..put a dampener on the 'plan' people will be glad that even in ignorance..that plan ,,for the new world orders messiah to come...[again]..was thwarted[the anti-christ] by their deeds are they revealed and reviled do as you will..but dont judge them..they have largly led us..to where we are now..[at the brink of a precipice..but not at the lip of the poo.l...] so much more to it but hey they so love being ignorant http://www.activistpost.com/2011/08/news-corp-owned-national-geographics.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8713093/The-BBC-steadfastly-avoids-the-facts-about-the-wind-farm-scam.html heck all the truth they could possably handle http://whatreallyhappened.com/ Posted by one under god, Sunday, 28 August 2011 11:16:01 AM
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The CIA-Mafia link has been discussed and written about for some years including a book by Charles Ashman titled 'The CIA-Mafia Link' my copy was published in 1975. There is much to link the Mafia with the CIA including access to a wide network of operatives, drugs, gambling and links to Cuba, Bay of Pigs, and various assasinations and covert acts worldwide. These links are now well accepted albeit not much discussed.
In the book there is a quote: " I never had any thought when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations...This quiet arm of the President of the US has been so far removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue and is subject for cold-war enemy propaganda...The last thing we needed in the United States was for the CIA to be seized upon as something akin to subverting influence in the affairs of other people. I therefore would like to see that the CIA be restored to it's original assignments as the intelligence arm of the Presendient and whatever else it can properly perform in that special field, and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere." Harry S Truman Posted by pelican, Sunday, 28 August 2011 11:26:20 AM
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I don't buy into many of the conspiracy theories. My problem with some of them - 9/11 included - is the tendency for conspiracy theorists (and those who make money from them) is to see 'evidence' or data presented and interpret that X, Y and Z must mean A, B or C but ignore the possibility that X,Y and Z might also mean D,E or F or maybe L,M,N, and P.
Some of it can be self-fulfilling to match ideological or other expectations. Even Jesse Ventura who writes books about conspiracies occasionally offers other possibilities. Much of his information is very credible, but not all of it. The assassination of the Kennedys is almost certainly IMO to have been orchestrated by others not yet known (only suspected). However that said, there is no doubt, and history reveals it, that there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than us mere mortals will ever know; or are revealed well after events and where it becomes blurry about who is accountable. Who was held accountable for outing Valerie Plame? Nobody, even the patsy that was organised managed to get a presidential pardon. We can be certain that the facts around Iraq may never come out until well after anyone in that Administration is still around to offer explanations. I have seen it myself in much less significant ways - the spin doctors (public servants/politicians/lobbyists) dressing up policies and programs to be nothing like the reality that is projected. Sometimes little lies grow and self-perpetuate, empires are sometimes built on lies. Posted by pelican, Sunday, 28 August 2011 11:31:03 AM
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Sonofgloin,yes I'm fully aware if the scientific facts of 911 and Larry Silverstein.The 10th anniversary of 911 is just a couple of weeks away and most think that it was so long ago that is does not matter.They don't however realise loss of legal freedoms we have given away in pursuit of this contrived enemy.Howard's sedition Laws do much the same as Bush's Patriot Act and yet we continue as if all will be OK.
It's like finding a paedophile in your family and pretending that all is OK even while family members are being abused.People just pretend that it is not happening. Judging by the reaction to Kevin Bracken in Parliament a few months ago,I think most of them know.It is just too big to acknowledge since they don't have the answers. If you go to http://patriotsquestion911.com/ you will see hundreds of credible leaders,entertainers,engineers,professionals,scientists etc all around the planet raising legitimate questions,yet the media has a stranglehold on the information. I think Pelican is just representative of most attidues.It just seems too incredible to be true.That's exactly why they did it. Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 28 August 2011 1:49:58 PM
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"I think Pelican is just representative of most attidues.It just seems too incredible to be true.That's exactly why they did it.'
Well it does sound incredible. But it's incredulity should not be presented as evidence for either the allegations being true or false. Many things that have happened throughout time which have been incredible and there is something in the old adage - 'truth is stranger than fiction'. I hold no illusions about the extent to which corruption can stem or whose interests they might protect, I just don't happen to buy into the 'science' or logic of some 9/11 theories. My assessments and conclusions might certainly be wrong. And even if further truths emerge there will always be those who will doubt the integrity of the material presented either way. It is sometimes as difficult to prove something is NOT a conspiracy as it is to prove something IS a conspiracy. However, your subject - the CIA-mafia link has certainly been established beyond a reasonable doubt in a number of documents, investigative reporting and other revelations over the last few decades. Posted by pelican, Sunday, 28 August 2011 2:26:25 PM
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Pelican,Do yourself a favour and see http://www.ae911truth.org/ View the scientific forensic evidence.I have met Richard Gage the founder along with Prof Steven Jones and Prof Neils Harrit who has conclusive proof of nano thermite being used.
Once people with the intelligence view the scientific evidence,there is only one conclusion they arrive at.It was a controlled demolition and planes were not responsible for the collapse of any of the 3 towers that fell on 11/9/2001. Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 28 August 2011 3:27:25 PM
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Amazingly, Arjay, most people who watch a tragedy unfolding, live, on TV, can make their own minds up about what happened.
As far as I could see, the planes hit the towers before there was any explosions, so that is enough for me. All these mad 'conspiracy theories' have been just that...mad theories. Posted by suzeonline, Sunday, 28 August 2011 6:13:51 PM
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People like to answer their own questions with their own agenda to permit their self perceived realities.
Posted by StG, Sunday, 28 August 2011 8:16:56 PM
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Suzanneonline the evidence is overwhelming.No plane hit WTC7 which was half the height of the towers.Even Larry Silverstein who sonofgloin makes reference to,said he had to pull it.Larry some weeks before 911 took over the leases and insured each building separately against terrorism and made a fortune.
WTC 7 came down at freefall speeds for 3 secs of it descent.This is impossible for any building to come down uniformly and at 9.8m per sec like dropping a rock from a cliff.Fire in buildings cause non uniform damage and they fall over.Fire has never since or before 911 brought down steel concrete reinforced buildings. Then we have the proof of nano thermite which acts as an explosive as well as an incendiary.Neils Harrit and his team of 9 international scientists produced a peer reviewed paper which has not been disputed let alone acknowleged by Govt authorities. The anomolies gone on and on yet we continue to deny the reality at our peril. Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 28 August 2011 8:17:10 PM
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online suzie
im not sure if you watch football but guess what...[those adverts you see on the field arnt really there..clever computer programers insert them..INTO the footage] no doudt you have seen living dinosaurs on tv but guess what...they are extinct* [and despite you watching time travel..this too is only in the movies] recently they have found live footage that clearly records the explosions[3 seconds before the building falls down] there are also witness reports that a plane overflew the pentigon and a missile was sent in[not a plane] but hey lets ignore all that tell me what plane hit building 7? we have had bigger planes hit smaller steel frame buildings and hotter buigger fire[yet in all histry only 3 steel frame buildings has EVER fallen into its own footprint[all on 911 all at the same place] the list of evidence is substantial but hey..you saw it really happen...on tv..[lol] thats great for you seeing is believing well it used to be believable but times have changed Posted by one under god, Sunday, 28 August 2011 9:07:34 PM
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*All these mad 'conspiracy theories' have been just that...mad theories.*
Suze, you are of course quite correct. But some people, it seems it is just how their brain is wired, need their daily fix of conspiracy to be content with the world. Ah well, it keeps them off the streets :) I went through Building 7 with Arjay, ages ago. This thing had been built on top of a power station, in the era of lightweight design, when engineers were pushing the limits. Not too much concrete in there, more like lots of cladding, unlike other buildings which have concrete columns which carry the load. Then they added a number of stories on top of it later, for which it was never designed. Then they hollowed out the interior structure of a number of floors, to suit one of the tenants. But all this is ignored. But apparently it wasn't really bin Laden killed recently either in Pakistan, according to Arjay. Despite his family and even Al Queda saying that it was. Hey, it keeps Arjay busy, everyone needs a hobby and as such its all pretty harmless I guess. Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 28 August 2011 9:26:18 PM
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Yabby you obfuscate yet again.WTC7 was built better than the brick sh#thouse.It housed the FBI,CIA and the Enron criminals who all needed to destroy evidenece.
Yabby ,you won't debate the scientifc facts because you will lose hands down.Attack the messenger is the ruse of a deceptive and feeble intellect. Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 28 August 2011 10:23:11 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTC_Building_7
There you go Arjay, all public information, quite easy to read for anyone interested. Everything I claimed is spot on. I have a good memory :) The new WTC, since built, has a reinforced concrete core, unlike the old one, which was basically steel and cladding, with 3 floors hollowed out to suit Salomon Smith Barney, who were by far the largest tenants. But keep amusing yourself Arjay, it keeps you busy. Fair enough. Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 28 August 2011 10:45:11 PM
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Even a house of cards Yabby cannot come down at freefalls speeds because the collapsing structure still offers some resistance to gravity.WTC7 had many steel columns that had to be compromised in rapid synchronisation to to achieve this effect.NIST said that there was no evidence of explosives and later admitted they did not look for them.As Richard Gage said ,"The evidence of explosives was not hard to find." They were then accused to putting explosives in the samples.It was called nano thermite and only the US military had the capacity to produce this high tech explosive.It cannot be made in normal labs.
We see evidence of fire fighters saying run for your lives she's going to blow, then a countdown is heard ,3,2,1. A British reporter announces the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before it actually happens and right at that time we see WTC 7 in the background still standing.How did she know? WTC 7 was supposed to come down in the dust and confusion of the Twin Towers.For some reason the demo failed.Larry Silverstein then announces that,"We had to pull it." Larry made his biggest error here since he thought that a building could be wired for demolition in a few hours.It takes weeks to wire a building up any building for demo. How do you explain the molten iron when the worst office fires will only burn to half the melting point of steel.Why was the evidence hastily sent to China? Why was NORAD stood down.Why were the Bin Laden they only ones on a plane flying back to Saudi Arabia? Why did Geroge Bush remain for 20 minutes reading to the children in the class after he learned that the USA was under attack? He was putting himself and the children in danger by remaining there? How could a whispers give him the total story? I Would have moved to a back room and asked for more detail. The Mossad agents who were captured filming and celebrating the collapses were later released and when questioned said,"Our purpose was TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT."How did they know? Posted by Arjay, Monday, 29 August 2011 7:18:13 AM
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anyone can edit or write a wiki
that in itself proves nothing [heck we got spin merchants in the media and certainly those who did do the attack [and ensure no formal investigation into it]..are clever enought to write....their spin..'simple'..for any simpleton to accept as true.. the nano particulate[found in the dust]..was thermite that isnt an explosive..but a high tempreture substance..designed to cut through even the hardest steel..its not available to the likes of even bin larden lest we forget he was from south arabia and working for cia[and lets look at 17 of the 19 terrorists from south arabia]...many of the names of who..are found to be still alive of course bin larden..was in afganistan not usa..or iraq..which raises..of why atack that sadman insane..in iraq...[the one who's dopple ganger [with crooked teeth]..was hanged as the real sadman[again a cia operative..]...had perfect teeth. the wikipedia isnt an proof buildingh 7 did hold all the evidence ogf enron fraud as well as a substtantial reserve of gold[that was never recoverd] the steel...wasnt investigated..in fact was immediatly sent to china to remelt it[photo's of some of the beams..show it was cut [melted]much like thermite..and certainly that took a higher temp..than a slow burning smokey fire the proper investigation would have saved a motza if a contributing cause like 'hollowing' out had occured even that fact alone sounds suss[as if engeneers would condone taking oiut main supports]..that alone would indicate complicity..[or intent] if things dont pass the logic test chances are you been conned again where there is smoke there is fire Posted by one under god, Monday, 29 August 2011 8:02:56 AM
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but it takes a darn hot fire to smelt steel
in fact takes a blast furnace..much like that nano "THERMITE".stuff arjay is speaking about. the fact remains.. only 3 buildings in histry have collapsed into their own footprint[all on the same day/location]..despite hotter and longer burning fires..and bigger planers hitting them then we have mr bushes links [his brother did security] he georgie porgie..declared it an act of war.. [read your insurance policy an act of war cancels YOUR insurance] why did an isrealie insurer pay out no questions asked? why did an isrealie prime insurer..pay off immediatly [twice] lest we forget..dickk cheeky..was in the war room PRACTICING for egsactly the same event..at that same time..! he was asked if it still was a go and he gave the final order why no air response from norrad why building 7..who housed the enron evidences for that fact why hollow out the place that stored the gold [that has never been found..not even in the dust too many questions no=one asking for answers to wit the event was planned.. by those who sought reason to act as they did ps the stock market expected a stock collapse..on this very day [in the end they got their first bailout][that one lasted till 2008] and the 2008 one has run out again[and all they do is cash up the resources speculaters]..our biggest real/present danger Posted by one under god, Monday, 29 August 2011 8:07:51 AM
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What still fascinates me about your approach to the 9/11 conspiracy theories, Arjay, is that you are unable to select one from the hundreds that are out there, and stick to it.
Because of this, you are unable to provide a shred of evidence as to how it was put together, or who was actually involved in carrying it out. The sheer scale of the cover-up - given also that the FBI, CIA etc. leak like a sieve - defies rationalization. Even your current excuse to rake the ashes, the late Ted Gunderson, has no evidence to offer. Given that he was involved in investigations into both Marilyn Monroe's and John Kennedy's deaths, you'd think he would have been in a position to offer just a hint or two as to how it all came together. Sadly, we will now never know. However, I expect to see very shortly a spate of articles that show that Ted's death from "kidney failure" and "cancer" - at only 82 years old and clearly still in the prime of his life - was a government conspiracy to stop his stream of accusations about their involvement in "satanic ritual abuse and government-sponsored secret operations including mind control, child abduction, sexual abuse of children, sexual enslavement, human trafficking, auctioning of children and the use of kidnapped children for secret experimentation and ritual murder" http://educate-yourself.org/cn/tedgundersonpasses01aug11.shtml Oddly, they forgot to mention the poisoning of US citizens through the use of "chemtrails". http://aircrap.org/former-fbi-chief-ted-gunderson-says-chemtrail-death-dumps-must-be-stopped/33301/ Altogether a worthy hero for you, Arjay. Posted by Pericles, Monday, 29 August 2011 9:43:24 AM
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Pericles try addressing the facts listed by OUG and myself one by one.You have failed consistantly in the past and even more so now.Try using your own words rather than obsecure links that try to hide the truth.Obfuscation is your only tool.
Just explain how all 3 buildings came down at near freefall speeds,in total synchronisation, would be a good start.You only have o look at controlled demos gone wrong.Buildings fall asymetrically when compromised,unless their integrity is compromiesd by sequential,synchronised forces. It is impossible for fire or random structural faults to achieve this.How did the building components all communicate with one another and decide to collapse at the same time? Posted by Arjay, Monday, 29 August 2011 10:31:57 AM
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War Games: The Key to a 9/11 USAF Stand Down
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/usaf_911.html There was a young man who came in and said to the vice president "The plane [Flight 77] is 50 miles out" [from Washington], "The plane is 30 miles out", and when it got down to "The plane is 10 miles out" the young man also said to the vice president "Do the orders still stand?", and the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?" It is obvious the above orders did not involve defending Washington. If it’s 9-11 truth you seek, look no further than Victor Thorn’s latest book on the subject, Made in Israel: 9-11 and the Jewish Plot Against America. What this book makes clear, and what many 9-11 “truthers” don’t know, is that a massive deception and cover-up exists not only in the mainstream media, but in the so-called 9-11 truth movement as well http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/27/9-11-plot%E2%80%94made-in-israel/ http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wrh_9-11_index.php http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/911 http://howtheworldchanged.org/ Posted by one under god, Monday, 29 August 2011 2:07:31 PM
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OUG, I would agree with a Zionist plot but not Jewish.Zionist are to Israel what Nazis were to Germany.It goes way beyond Israel.There are many Global International Corps who came along for the ride of oppression and fascism.They are not Jewish or Zionists.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 29 August 2011 8:01:06 PM
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Nope, I am still not convinced guys.
Surely if all this 'conspiracy' stuff about the twin towers really being an FBI and/or CIA 'plot' were true, there would be a huge outcry from all the world's media and other Governments around the world? What a great story that would be! Oneundergod, if you can believe in fairystories about unseen gods, then surely it isn't strange that I can believe a news story I see on TV? I never said I believed everything I see on TV, but I am more likely to believe actual live news video footage than most other TV content. I wouldn't say I was a paranoid sort of person who didn't believe anything unless I was actually there. I was, as you well know, talking about some video footage taken on the spot by several different sources from different angles around the towers by disbelieving bystanders, but hey, they could have all got it wrong of course. Were you there to actually see it OUG? No? Well then you are just as likely as me to have got the wrong idea. Posted by suzeonline, Monday, 29 August 2011 8:03:26 PM
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Now suzeonlin, it is time to use your intellect.How did all the component parts of WTC 7 communicate with each other to cause such a uniform synchronised collapse? Simple question for a gal who is so smart.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 29 August 2011 8:45:57 PM
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Well I don't claim to have all the answers Arjay, but I guess we have never seen airliners crash into twin towers of that height before 9/11 have we?
Maybe what we all watched on all those mobile phones and video recorders WAS actually what happened? Maybe the real conspiracy is the misinformation put out by those who see conspiracies in everything? Maybe they just watched too many episodes of 'Twilight Zone' : ) Posted by suzeonline, Monday, 29 August 2011 11:35:14 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14665953
I was intrigued by a comment from arjay about the 9/11 event. It, well not sure , but I thought it pointed to other than planes flying in to the buildings bringing them down. Having seen the second one live, I woke middle of night as to night. And read a lot about this. I wanted to understand what drives the conspiracy's theory's. That is not answered here but the link interested me, it shows some conspiracy's shift to accommodate new answers found or questions? Interesting stuff. Maybe the conspiracy is a conspiracy's to keep us away from the real problems of the world. I have always felt the CIA trafficked drugs, maybe to quieten the very thing we call the Arab spring in western country's. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 1:24:23 AM
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suzeonline ,this is a very important answer that you don't have since all 3 WTC buildings defied the basic law of physics ie no building can fall at close to 9.8m per sec/sec unless all the structural bonds are severed not only in unision at every floor level,but also sequentially floor by floor.
For this to happen naturally the probabilty is in the multi- billions for it to happen.This is why they won't allow a new independant enquiry. Prof Neil Harrit and his team were accused of planting nano-thermite in the dust samples,but they had not the technology or the access to Military facilities to get it.It was a top secret explosive that very few knew about.This was present in alll the dust samples. Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 6:36:32 AM
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Yabby:>> I went through Building 7 with Arjay, ages ago. This thing had been built on top of a power station, in the era of lightweight
design, when engineers were pushing the limits. Not too much concrete in there, more like lots of cladding, unlike other buildings which have concrete columns which carry the load.<< What a load of cobblers Yabby. The building suffers no direct impact and it collapses to it's foundations. Other than the WTC and Builing 7 no other multiple level builings have EVER fallen to it's foundations without the intervention of demolition contractors or plate movement. Posted by sonofgloin, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 8:00:59 AM
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SOG read my link, in my view it rebuts your claim,Ajay's too
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 8:28:11 AM
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Belly's link does explain some of those points raised by Arjay and SOG.
Whatever view one takes we all tend to find 'evidence' that suits our own position, but there are probably a number of valid questions to be asked. Much of the criticism after 9/11 came from a lack of cooperation and sharing of information between the various intelligence and law enforcement agencies that would have produced more 'pieces of the puzzle'. These non-sharing arrangements are typical of some bureaucratic empire builders and self appointed kingpins. Not that I am cynical or anything. :) Posted by pelican, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 9:16:37 AM
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sonofgloin,There is a real agenda here of cover up.Richard Gage in Blueprint for Truth methodically went through the scientific method for all 3 towers and proved conclusively that explosives had to be used to create such a result.http//www.ae911truth.org/
With the neo-con lunatics behind this coup,seeing Adolph Hitler as their role model,the alarm bells should be ringing far and wide.Some of these nutters want the world pop reduced to half a billion or removing 11 out of 12 people from this planet. Zibigniew Brezezinski last year," In the past it was easier to control a million people than kill them.Today it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than control them." He was the chief foreign policy advisor to Jimmy Carter and still advises Obama today and influences world opinion. If NATO goes into Syria,this will begin WW3 and they don't care how many are killed on both sides,since the banksters like always will finance both sides. Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 9:34:37 AM
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Sonofgloin, perhaps you should read the link that I posted, a bit
more closely. WTC 7 covered nearly an acre. In the basement were power stations with a heap of diesel oil. Construction was a bit like a meccano set, with concrete floors and cladding, not part of the structural strength in other words, but lots of weight. Pull out the support of the centre columns over 1 acre with all that concrete weight, what do you think will happen? Collapse will be inward, not outward, as things going down pull the rest inward, not outward. But of course the building did not just come down, like your explosive claim. Fires were raging for hours. Three hours before final collapse, one side started buckling and an eventual collapse was expected. Just under a minute before the final collapse, part of the insides could be seen collapsing. Inside structural failure, add all that weight from the top and steel weak from heat (steel loses 90% of its strength as you heat it up) and voila, eventually the whole lot gives. Nothing remarkable in that. But of course Pericles asks the most pertinent question of all. Such a huge conspiracy and not a single leak? Not a single person who wants to sell the story of the century to the press? Not even the BBC journalist who Arjay claims knew ahead of time? Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 10:22:49 AM
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The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html "I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted..not just in financing -- although that was part of it -- by a sovereign foreign government ... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now" - Senator Bob Graham. (34) If..the sovereign foreign government mentioned by Senator Graham..was an enemy/of the United States the "compelling evidence"..would SHOUL/not be kept secret..for 20+ years. How Did the WTC Fires..Burn for Months? An ignored point..in the BBC's Conspiracy/files http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_fires_911.html At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers..*are Still Alive* http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html In September 2002,[FBI Director Robert Mueller] told CNN twice..that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers."..[Insight] So,one fact is apparent. If those who hijacked the 9/11 airplanes were using stolen identities,*[now who regularilly..*does that?]..lol.. then we don't know..who they were or who they worked for...We can't...It's impossible. [mossad runs cia] An ignored point..in the BBC's Conspiracy/files Shaped Charges and the World Trade Center Collapses Why were high velocity explosives detonating..in the vicinity of the World Trade Center? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_charges.html An ignored point/in the BBC's Conspiracy files 9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_firefighters.html How could an aircraft impact at floors 78+ of WTC 2 cause numerous large explosions..*at the base of the building? An ignored point so many sad ignored points ok how about the truss theory http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/trusstheory.html The transmissions document that only isolated pockets of fire were reported by the firefighters, so where was the all-consuming inferno? THAT MELTED HIGH GRADE US STEEL! http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc2_firefighters.html Also of note is the fact that these transmissions were made..seconds before WTC 2's collapse. There were supposedly massive structural failings occurring in this section of the building..at this time.. yet no media/mention is made of this. or this http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2009/09/911truth-blind-us-corporate-media.html or this http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2010/01/obama-advisor-sunsteins-conspiracy.html supose you wont even dare read this http://www.activistpost.com/2011/08/operation-false-flag-modern-primer.html how about this guy http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/911-fema-videographer-at here is his photo's http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/new-pics-911-fema heck so much evidence and NO REASON..FOR ANY INQUIRY? lol Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 10:50:06 AM
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Let's put paid to all the lies and nonsense regards WTC 7.It's collapse was announced on the BBC 20 min before it happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s It is announced as the Salamen Bros Building Collapse.Jane Stanley is reporting live and just out of the window behind her she confirms the collapse of WTC 7 the Salamen Bros Building.To her right we see WTC 7 still standing.Jane obiviously did not know what WTC 7 looked like.How did the BBC know it would collapse in 20 minutes? Controlled Demoliton perhaps?
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 11:00:13 AM
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*How did the BBC know it would collapse in 20 minutes? Controlled Demoliton perhaps?*
Lol Arjay, so now the BBC is seemingly involved in this conspiracy too? Still no leaks? The journalist was new in town, had just arrived. The place is in total chaos, including media reports. WTC was predicted to collapse three hours earlier, once the side wall started buckling. So now based on the fact of a press cock up between will soon collapse and has collapsed already, you see conspiracy! Given the building in the background, its clearly a stuff up, hardly an intelligent conspiracy, with thousands sworm to silence, not one who has ever divulged the truth. But it keeps you occupied, everyone needs a hobby. Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 11:39:58 AM
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That's actually one of Arjay's more amusing sidetracks, thanks for pointing it out Yabby.
>>How did the BBC know it would collapse in 20 minutes? Controlled Demoliton perhaps?<< Given the traditional image of the BBC's political bias - wussy, soft-left, brown-cardigan-and-suede-shoes vegetarians - I doubt if they'd be able to keep a "sooper-seekrit" like this one for more than fifteen seconds. Especially as it involves their traditional enemies, the corporate capitalist war-mongers. I'd still like Arjay to tell us which of the many theories he subscribes to. Only then might he be able to attempt to put the picture together as to how it was done, which is the elephant in his conspiracy-room that he hates being asked about. But of course, there was always Rumsfeld's 10th September speech, that "proves" that it was funded by trillions of missing dollars from the Defense Budget... here, I'll save him the trouble of selectively quoting from it: http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=430 I've lost count of how many times we have been around this particular track - it used to annoy me slightly that anyone would think that it's really neat to propagate this rubbish. Now I just find it mildly amusing. Tinged with a little sadness, that someone chooses to waste all those brain cells on such nonsense. But as you point out, everyone has to have a hobby. Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 1:29:07 PM
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ok lets come to a common point we CAN agree on
the lowlifes who did the planning/financing and carrying out of the events of 911.. *are the lowest scum that ever lived. thus we need to know who done what who paid for it and carried this out who failed to prevent or re-act thus we ] need to have an enquiry fully public..full disclosure fully accountable..ASP in the most clear open terms that for govt to delay the FULL inquiry..looks bad implies it is holding secrets...implies that there is something THEY ARE AFRAID OF COMMING OUT a thing so earth shaking that they DARE not look into the true facts dare not hold ALL CONCERNED to account these scum deserve to be outed..so why arnt they why the silence because those who could know...are too afraid to talk or lack the means to talk...but lets agree this looks really bad LET HAVE A FULL AND OPEN INQUIRY INTO THE FACTS no one can deney it neds be open and fully accounting to the scum what dun it..[whoever they are] to not do it honestly and openly will only alow the puss to hide under a huge scab so who do we hold to account for govt not egsamining the facts for govt to activly avoid looking under this scab it just stinks to poopoo with gossip only hides the scum so you mr clever with words put the words right push for a full open hearing of all the facts before we again get caught up in the lies and pr spin with more draconian legislation breat beating and fraud Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 2:27:03 PM
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9 minutes of specialist engeneers talking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=player_embedded Right now, government shills are working hard to trick web sites into running the claim that a passenger jet did not really hit the Pentagon. This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to discredit it. The government shills are trying to conceal real news stories such as the Israeli Spy Ring and its connections to the attacks on the World Trade Towers. So, we get hoax stories poured onto the net by government propagandists, to be used by the media to attack the credibility of anyone who dares doubt the official story. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ppfinal.html no doudt the hollowing out theory and wikipedia scams...are all part of poisening the well so lets have a full open inquiry into the real facts there really is no excuse good enough to let the REAL killers get away with their TREASON* we could start here http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bushlie.html or here http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/booker_principal.htm Bush Caught in a Lie About the 9/11 WTC Attacks http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11secretservice.html If Bush really did see an airplane on TV hitting the World Trade Center then he saw that the aircraft was under control at the time, and he saw it before arriving at Booker Elementary because he was en route to the school when the first plane struck WTC 1 - a closed-circuit live feed..to his limo *is the only way he could have seen this impact *on TV. then if you dare we can look at this http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spyring.php then look at this metal that melted in a LOW temp..smokey fire lol http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/steel.html where the steel went http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/02/nyregion/search-for-clues-towers-collapse-engineers-volunteer-examine-steel-debris-taken.html Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 3:10:34 PM
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About your link Belly:
>>The question: Why did the world's most powerful air force fail to intercept any of the four hijacked planes? The answer: Fighter jets failed to intercept the hijacked planes Official reports say: This was a highly unusual multiple hijacking with violence on board, and where the transponder, which provides the exact location of the plane, was turned off or changed.<< SOG response: They had three targets and scrambled for none. >>The question: Why did the Twin Towers collapse so quickly, within their own footprint, after fires on a few floors that lasted only for an hour or two? Official reports say: An extensive inquiry by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the planes severed and damaged support columns and dislodged fire-proofing. << SOG response: Never before has a steel and concrete “sky scraper” 50 levels or more collapsed to its foundations, there is a first for most things but a treble record breaker is astronomical odds. The Empire state collected a military cargo plane, it stood. Sao Paolo have had horrific fires of duration in their skyscrapers…none fell, in fact never in recorded history has a skyscraper fell to its foundations, unless contrived to do so. Belly it stinks, you don’t smell it? George W was entertaining kindy kids in a school when he was informed of the second strike, it is on video; he stayed and listened to the kids for another 5 minutes. The second report of a strike on the second tower SHOULD have sent the Secret Service into menstruation, an obvious strategy against America unfolded and the President was at a function that was pre announced and common knowledge if you look at the white house press diary, a more obvious and significant target was sitting in front of school kids and the Secret Service just let them all sit there….pull the other one….they knew he was not a target. Belly and Yabby, you chaps obviously read, but you do not think. Posted by sonofgloin, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 4:22:43 PM
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No sonofgloin,Yabby and Pericles know the truth,but want to deny the reality.I don't know if Belly/suzeonline have the ability to work it out.
I finally convinced a very intelligent person to look at the evidence this yr.He has degrees in science,computing and business.It was just too impossible for him to even consider such treachery.Blueprint for Truth by Richard Gage did it and he was in total shock.He is a lot less arrogrant these days. Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 6:08:43 PM
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2 posters here are easy to read to understand and Even think like.
BBC 20 minutes before it fell? Look got to go enjoy but SOG!? READ BUT DO NOT THINK? enjoy Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 6:19:27 PM
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*SOG response: They had three targets and scrambled for none.*
I can just see the headlines now, Sonofgloin. " Airforce shoots down Delta aircraft and kills 150 civilian passengers" That would go down well with the punters. Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 8:17:12 PM
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Yabby and Pericles,It is time for both of you to explain the science of freefall of all 3 WTC buildings and the existance of nano thermite.No obfuscation this time.I'll help you out with the concepts when you have difficulty.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 8:56:51 PM
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It's a deal, Arjay.
>>Yabby and Pericles,It is time for both of you to explain the science of freefall of all 3 WTC buildings and the existance of nano thermite.No obfuscation this time.I'll help you out with the concepts when you have difficulty.<< Right after you tell me what you believe happened, who was behind it, how they did it, how many people were involved, and how it has been kept a secret all this time. After all, explaining the laws of gravity to you will be a doddle compared to that lot. Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:44:09 AM
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its a simple matter per ridicules
to see that on that 'day'..there was 46..red herrings in process http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2011/08/you-can-feel-and-see-fear.html http://hcgroups.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/911-training-exercise-planned-for-simulated-plane-crash-five-minutes-before-pentagon-attack-took-place/ http://www.scribd.com/doc/18663225/T8-B16-Misc-Work-Papers-Fdr-NRO-Exercise-Plane-Crash-Into-Building http://mathaba.net/news/?x=595326 as to who planned it is as simple as watching..who laid out a complete plan of action before george busche..in less that 6 days to wit dikkk cheeney and tennent so their asosiations were also in on it and your clever enough to put..them names to the prime people concerned and if you still like to act dumb.. [mossad/neo cons http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.php were in there too] how?..here is thermite testing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g&feature=share try watching last nights sbs cutting edge..[top sectret america] that reveals clearly..who WASNT in the loop to wit the army navy and airforce its the same mob so expert at propaganda such as this http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/coloring.html heed this warning http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/08/secret-recording-911-effects-wearing.html taking notice of this might prevent the next one http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/israel-prefers-another-war-to-palestinian-statehood/ or this http://www.redress.cc/americas/ldavidson20110831 oh heck why bother http://news.antiwar.com/2011/08/29/leaked-uns-plan-for-post-gadhafi-libya/ http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/29/terrorism/index.html http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/11/LegalObedience http://consortiumnews.com/2011/08/29/rise-of-another-cia-yes-man/ its so much easier to pretend to be ignorant you do that so well basicly reply giving out nothing then if you chose to reply pick on the one poisend well point [see previous links] poisening the well..hells bells your good at it Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:20:26 PM
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Actually the most amusing part of this story, is checking out the
adverts on sites such as whatreallyhappened.com. It tells us a bit about who the advertisers are targeting and who thinks these sites provide credible information. Apart from the obligatory year's food, there are of course discount guns and ammunition. Then the bargan "Survival Seed Vault" for a mere 99$. Or you could buy the "Survival Backpack" for a mere 289.95, unless of course you want the deluxe option, which costs a bit more. Sheesh, I did well in business, but judging by what people will buy if you target the audience, I was clearly not creative enough! There's a sucker born every minute, it seems. Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 12:54:53 PM
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your very clever yabby
clearly your good at ridicules so lets pick one site at a time http://www.scribd.com/doc/18663225/T8-B16-Misc-Work-Papers-Fdr-NRO-Exercise-Plane-Crash-Into-Building here is the one that talks of the 46 red herrings all ran on the same day so tell me bro how did bin lid do that? clever timming eh what this site alone proves it was an inside job PLANNED by insiders.. to wit those mentioned at the other links not some former cia officer in a rat hole decidedly treasonous even an ignorant can se this link is not an accident you clearly ignored calling those who done paid for and planned this act of treason any names i call them [whoever done it also AND those..who CONTINUE to cover it up] scumbags not you of course your just ignorant by choice tell me son are those who planned and financed it scum? yes or no..! how about the scum that REFUSES to inquire into it? treason? YES OR NO? Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 2:14:44 PM
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OUG simply amazing.Ridicules and Fred et al Yabba Dadda Doo just have no credibility.They are both a waste of cyber space.It is not a matter of putting brains in statues,they both know the reality of who perpetrated 911.It is a matter of integrity and honesty.
OUG I'll tell you a funny story.Last yr Ray Hadley had Robert Baer ex CIA on 2GB telling us about Iran.Now Nick Kaldis the deputy Commissioner for counter terrorism NSW recommended Robert Baer as a reputable consultant on who the real terrorists are.If you go to http://patriotsquestion911.org/ you will see Robert Baer saying that there is clear evidence of Govt involvement in 911. A week later I rang Ray Hadley on 2GB and the switch girl seemed to know who I was by my phone number.She refused access and later cut me off on a second call. I've had two visits from the AFP.The first was at my factory in Brookvale in August 2009 and then again in Sept 11th outside the ABC when the truth movement were asking the ABC to show the scientific evidence of 911.The second AFP agent was in plain clothes who made references to the Tamil Tigers whom they considered to be terrorists.It was an exercise in intimidation." Don't be alarmed,I'm here to protect you." He was really pissed off when I told him that truth will eventually come out. Make no mistake,this is totalitariarnism at its' worst.The likes of Rothschilds,Loeb Bros Rockefellers et al,are the personification of evil.In the normal interactions of human beings,I don't believe in evil,but these perverts are the real deal. Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 10:00:35 PM
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Lol Yabby :)
I understood exactly where you are coming from, even if Arjay (who doesn't know me) seems to think I don't understand! Well Arjay, little ol' dummy me is still waiting to read why we haven't heard about this massive conspiracy thing through rabid media channels...who I am sure would salivate at the mere suggestion such a madness could be true? Could it be that ALL the world's mainstream media are in collaboration with the FBI and CIA, as well as all the other WTC-collapse-deniers ? Oh noooo...! Posted by suzeonline, Thursday, 1 September 2011 12:31:13 AM
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I notice you're still clutching at straws, Arjay.
>>Nick Kaldis the deputy Commissioner for counter terrorism NSW recommended Robert Baer as a reputable consultant on who the real terrorists are<< First of all, as I have pointed out to you before, there is no record anywhere of Nick Kaldas (that's how you spell his name, by the way) "recommending" Robert Baer. Next, the same Robert Baer has stated, categorically and of his own free will, that "for the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon." As you so rightly say, it is "a matter of integrity and honesty". Simply repeating the same tired old fabrications, when they have been refuted time after time, hardly qualifies for either. But there is a worrying sense of paranoia creeping into your posts. The switchgirl knowing your phone number - she's obviously in on the conspiracy. Probably knows the whole story. And that plain-clothes policeman hinting that you might be a terrorist, obviously a threat. Clearly, you are getting too close for comfort, and must be stopped at all costs. Perhaps you might regain some of your tattered credibility by explaining how 9/11 happened. But as always, I won't be holding my breath. Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 1 September 2011 9:46:51 AM
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pericules
are those who paid for the 911 'event' scum? are those who trained whoever done it..and planned it scum? its an easy question yes or no Posted by one under god, Thursday, 1 September 2011 10:35:49 AM
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I love a laughter, have often thought why we do not have more of it.
Have we ever had a Satire thread?. While we wait this will do, just take the trip. Go back to the first post, read the whole thread. Gee its worth it. Notice if you think like that, like me,you get these insults,you are blind unable to read think and waste space. Yes OUG those who did this are scum and dead they died in the planes that smashed in to at took down the buildings. Posted by Belly, Thursday, 1 September 2011 1:00:34 PM
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belly quote...""Yes OUG those who did this are scum""
i note the precauttious use of the qualification 'those..*who did this"" and thats a start but mate..WHO trained them who planned it...who financed it are they scum too? anyhow mate we got a start but the fall guys..[well mate you missed the link] at least 7 of those who's passports were used to add 'numbers' to the flights..ARE STILL ALIVE* http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html ..so mate..we get back to those who FAKED their id are they scum too? anyhow we got a start see per ridicules and gabby it aint too hard now guys are they scum to wit those who planned and trained..the scum and faked their passport id..[see previous links] the 7 who didnt die..! exposes one lie..! http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html want the biggest clue? the training exersize planned by bin lid? lol http://hcgroups.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/911-training-exercise-planned-for-simulated-plane-crash-five-minutes-before-pentagon-attack-took-place/ not likely belly read the first and last links im still waiting for per ridicules and the gabby yabby..to agree those who planned/plotted are scum too Posted by one under god, Thursday, 1 September 2011 2:16:21 PM
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Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 1 September 2011 6:01:50 PM
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one can only note the resounding silence
clearly...he gabby yabby and the perverse perculiur know there is more to the theory of 911 than they are willing to admit *in writing i still condem those who trained planned and paid for it or just allowed it to happen by deliberated ignorance and ongoing silence bah the truth of when good men do[see nothing] if its so funny why am i crying Posted by one under god, Friday, 2 September 2011 9:08:43 AM
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You're great at bandying that word around, aren't you Arjay.
>>Pericles is lying again<< Let's have a look, shall we. Pericles: "there is no record anywhere of Nick Kaldas (that's how you spell his name, by the way) "recommending" Robert Baer." Arjay: "Nick Kaldas was the Deputy commissioner of Police for NSW.He recommeded Robert Baer to Ray Hadley" I listened to the interview (you got the URL wrong, by the way. True to your normal standard of accuracy) and found that Ray Hadley was "having a yarn" with Kaldas, who "directed him towards" Robert Baer. So in the sense that he was telling Hadley "this guy would suit your style of programme perfectly", I suppose you could stretch the word "recommend" in that general direction. But before you get too excited about the "lie" that I told, the context might give us some more insight. Back on 8th July, you posted: >>Nick Caldis the Deputy Commissioner of security and terrorism NSW highly recommends.Robert Baer who says the evidence points to Govt involvement in 911<< Let's not speculate any longer, shall we. Here are Robert Baer's own words: "I myself have felt the pull of the conspiracy theorists — who believe that 9/11 was an inside job, somehow pulled off by the U.S. government. For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with." http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1692518,00.html You were saying? Posted by Pericles, Friday, 2 September 2011 10:28:11 AM
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peridules quoting a cia spy
""I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots,"" case closed here from his own mouthy is he condemd now do you agree that WHOEVER Planned or plotted..or paid for this attack on 911[that destroyed the enron evidence...as well as much other vile stuff] DO YOU AGRE WHOEVER DONE IT or paid for it..or planned it is scum yes or know? your avoiding and just cause your poisening the well with a fookl who ADMITS..he.."" wasn't all that good at it"" proves nothing what you can prove is that your trying to avoid casting the blame where it belongs[those who trained /planned/plotted..WHO EVER THEY ARE they are scum..! just because he says.."",and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11."" dont refute any proof..you continually ignore but sus[pect is true..thus your AVOIDANCE OF CALLING SCUM what they really are ""Nor could the real pros"" lol well some ammiterurs done it so what does that proove the cia if a waste of cash arjay your falling for per ridicules destractions CLEARLY he dont want to call those what planmned and paid for it what we know they are..scum wether its mossad..or enron supporters or cia..who cares..clearly whoever paid for it is scum words that periducules cant say cause his mates would take him saying it in a way peridicules simply dont /wont like Posted by one under god, Friday, 2 September 2011 2:56:59 PM
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UOG they've removed the link of the Robert Baer/Ray Hadley interview.We must be frightening the crap out of their fascism.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 2 September 2011 8:20:11 PM
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as much as i would like to think so
i must disagree... to the powers that be..[were].. anyone else...is less than a flea..[as they say/believe.. they can buy and sell us..as they chose] yabby and pericules know this is true too you dont get to run..grand scemes without KNOWING.. your going to get away with it.. [think of bernie mad-toff[made-off..with all that cash] or ben be0ajunkie..[bailing out his mates or smug george..or egotistic dikkk it take a specfic phycopathic personality..to do the mindless abuse that type regularlly do its said just to trade in stocks[that you dont even own][short selling]..takes a mindset..that is akin to phycopath just think if we tried to sell a rental house or sell a rental car[knowing we can buy it back cheaper] or what of them bankers..lending us credit.. they create on a ledger or think of the mindset..that goes into libia just to steal that 120 tons of gold [heck even juliar..has sent the sas OUR sas..into libia two weeks ago] or how about the mossad..printing passports at will loading up refueling jets..then flying them into the towers by remote control..KNOWING their pal has insured them TWICE..for that specific event these type are scum and those who should show more guts could help wake the media up..before they chose to unleash the black plague virus...bird/swine flue..or aids.. [or at least get the media to tell the fools... those suseptable gene lines have allready gotten extinguished its sad..cause these guys arnt fools they must know this time their scemes will fail [that this time too many people KNOW..who did what we know every moove they make [its not us alone being watched] [not us as in you and i..but all communications they must know...they too are being watched] thus the too clever by half gabby and ridicules remain silent its sad they are so frightend hyper inflation will take gabbies wealth cause he stayed silent...puffed up ridicules destractions and in the end well who knows Posted by one under god, Friday, 2 September 2011 9:24:58 PM
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Yesterday at 3.30 pm my good friend John Bursill did an interview with Ben Fordham @2gb.John easily won the debate on the need for a new investigation.Fordham was clearly biased.Ben's main argument in the face of all the evidence to the contrary,was that with so many people knowing it would have leaked and no Govt would dare do this to their own people.Well pedophiles exist and some parents do murder their own children.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 3 September 2011 6:27:10 AM
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it is no surrise that the links get taken down
thats why we have them saying give us your proof lol its a no win situation its not so much what the dont say but what happens to the 'proof' when we give it there are ways arround these things ie to make a back up site..so the origonal source stays 'clean' [i use the word clean..because they make mirror sites..that keep uploading virus] or better printout a copy while the site is up anyhow the facts speak for themselves..thus the game and their lack of actual rebutal of the points and avoidence of giving any reply but these guys are our clever guys not bad in themselves..but serving the truelly vile that does things like 911 anyhow we can only trust that betrayus will try to clean out the cia..[after all he must have some loyal troops left]...i am forced to put my hope that those who arnt totally [first person ciorrupt],..will se the error of their ways the first step is of course for them to wake up and stop selling their souls so cheap it begins with them agreeing..that those who plan these things and train others to do these things..as well those who pay for these things....are scum but admitting your wrong that you werre decieved some are just too weak thus continue playing their giggling games revealing they are laughing at themselves anyhow cheers bloke its been nice working with ya Posted by one under god, Saturday, 3 September 2011 8:56:24 AM
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Wrong yet again, Arjay.
>>UOG they've removed the link of the Robert Baer/Ray Hadley interview.We must be frightening the crap out of their fascism<< It's still there. All you need to do is go to the 2GB index page http://www.2gb.com/index.php Top right, you'll see "search", which brings up a search box that asks for a Search Keyword - just put Baer in there, and you find it straight away. Mind you, he doesn't say anything particularly interesting. And he certainly doesn't say anything like "the evidence points to Govt involvement in 911" You really should reacquaint yourself with reality sometime, Arjay. All this cannot be good for your mental health. Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 3 September 2011 9:50:12 AM
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see how clever pericules can be
much too smart to admit to anything in writing anyhow..we have a new link and we learn new tricks and the powers that be..[were] have a new link to hide arjay...i think we got more 'on the good side' than those who sceme and plot...jesus was correct..let the tares[bad guys]..'grow'..with the wheat..[till harvest]..ie let god alone judge. who dont live in a glass house? we are all works in progress thats the only hope keeping me going in the end..things work out just fine [this realm is only to sort the sheeple from the goats] by their [our]..works will we be divided in gods time ahhhh men let the dreamers dream and the skemers sceme,..god loves our passion then in time...more of the same..[as we chose here]..shall be given Posted by one under god, Saturday, 3 September 2011 11:02:35 AM
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I didn't say that Robert Baer in this instance did mention 911.However Pericles if you see http://patriotsquestion911.com and go to the index of aphabetical names,scroll down and click on his name.He is just a few from the top under the B's.There he says that there is evidence of Govt involvement in 911.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 3 September 2011 11:40:16 AM
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some further developments
big business executives 4 times more likely to be phycopaths http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/business-leaders-are-four-times-more.html goldman sax reporting the world is ending so we might as well be rich http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/09/02/presenting-goldman-sachs-top-secret-world-profit-report-67681/ more poisen in the well? http://montanabusinessnetwork.com/showthread.php?28-Oil-Israel-ideology-motivated-9-11&p=34#post34 http://www.judicialwatch.org/oldsite/iraqi-oilfield-pr.shtml lets ignore enron? cia/murder http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/01/cia-moves-further-away-from-espionage-to-focus-on-killing-people/ media miss info http://crashareyouready.betterthanyours.com/w/?p=2824 speaking of 911 is antisemetic http://mrfriendsblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/anti-defamation-league-speaking-truth.html some 911 facts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgN7HyZE1E re-eduction re 911 http://schools.nyc.gov/Offices/mediarelations/NewsandSpeeches/2011-2012/911curriculumrelease9111.htm making the poor pay..for bailing out the rich http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/09/02/epic-santelli-rant-real-spectale-making-trillions-debt-robbing-poor-pay-68051/ mortgauge backed security..in your super http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/us-bank-stocks-plunge-on-report-of.html defamation[the movie] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utVkVQnAY64 Posted by one under god, Saturday, 3 September 2011 2:18:34 PM
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You prefer your version of Robert Baer's recorded words, Arjay.
>>There he says that there is evidence of Govt involvement in 911.<< I prefer mine. "I myself have felt the pull of the conspiracy theorists — who believe that 9/11 was an inside job, somehow pulled off by the U.S. government. For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with." http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1692518,00.html Personally, I think he just says any old stuff that will help sell his books. But then as you know, I am pathologically cynical when it comes to these people and their motives. But at least we seem to have established that your earlier assertion... >>...they've removed the link of the Robert Baer/Ray Hadley interview.We must be frightening the crap out of their fascism<< ...exists only in your imagination. Which is a somewhat over-crowded place, methinks. Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 4 September 2011 6:30:34 PM
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still poisening the well mr ridicules?
quote..""as you know, I am pathologically cynical when it comes to these people and their motives."" lol says he with a straight face as he REPEATS his point so let me repeat the MAIN point ""I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots""' get it yet?, he admites to orchestrating plots..! ""wasn't all that good at it,"" but obviously..a FEW SUCCEDED wildly beyond expectations like 911...noting he SPECIFICLY EXCLUDES ONLY ONE..! ""and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11.""" HE couldnt carry it off dont mean his mates didnt ""Nor could the real pros"" as opposed to his amuterish attempts..! the REAL PRO's...! ""I had the pleasure to work with." per ridicules quote..""Personally,I think he just says any old stuff that will help sell his books."" just as we see through your attempts to win a point while ignoring ours you ASK for proof then the links go bodgy funny that... ""But then"" these scum bags are good at the evil they do [ie the REAL pros!]..not the dude you keep quoting your..only making your case look weaker selective avoidence are those who planned paid and trained..*others to do it SCUM too? yes or know! Posted by one under god, Monday, 5 September 2011 7:33:49 AM
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The problem is that the truth of any situation
is hard to handle especially when it involves the loss of so many lives. The evidence is pretty well explicit pointing to "a manipulated event" by persons unknown! This is the way it is and unfortunately for justice, this is the way it seems it will always be. The reason that people who are involved in any "act of infamy" or are aware of the true facts leading to the event, do NOT speak out is simply fear, fear for themselves, fear for their family or even fear of ostracism. As we are all aware, many evil events have unfolded over the years, but very few have had total satisfactory closure, due in part to this perceived lack of moral backbone from the persons involved or associated with it!.....this does not mean that an evil event has NOT occurred, but that no real evidence has ever withstood the manipulations of the "conspiritors" and been accepted by society as being wrong! If we wonder why people refuse to speak out, we should then ask why do we have "secrecy" laws that "hide" certain activities away from the public view for many, many years? Sorry to disillusion some of you people out there in Wally-World, but this planet is a very nasy place, full of some very nasty people, but we just have to try NOT to become one of them! Posted by Crackcup, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 10:40:42 AM
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Do you think that Ted Gunderson right and has this culture permeated our intelligence agencies?