Sonofgloin.I went to the C02 tax protest on the 16th Aug.There were at least 6500 people there.Some say 10,000.Fox news reported 400 protestors.I don't know about the ABC but people were telling them to tell the truth this time.

I did learn from an ex-CSIRO scientist that the culture and independance of this organisation has been seriously compromised.The Fed Govt now dictates areas of enquiry and sets the parameters of such investigations to meet their agendas.The CSIRO is no longer a truely independant scientific body that seeks truth without fear or favour.

Jo Novas' husband Prof David Evans worked for our Govt as a computer climate modeller.He like man of us truley believed that AGW was happening.It all started in 1980 and $ billions were poured into the science,but by 1995 the evidence no longer supported the theory.With so many scientific umbilical cords attached to AGW caused by CO2,the ship would not turn around.Besides man was defacing the planet and the noble scientific community were performing a humanitariarn task by having this new power, even if based on a lie.The banking elites and Wall St also wanted the CO2 tax to feed their new derivative scams for more power.

The Greens fell in line since they now agreed that only a few on this planet could live the life of such energy/resource consumption and they the educated elite might be amongst the chosen that would not suffer their austerity.Much like the communist elites the Greens would be saved because their cause was just and right.

Lexi that story contained the claim as well "Mr Abbott was less amused by circumstances and told reporters at the second address that the Dickson "visit had long been pre-arranged ... and when once the media alert went out, the business received an aggressive phone call" as did every other news story I could find on it.

I could not find any that gave any evidence of that Abbott had made up the claim about the call.

Abbott's no shining light but peoples desperation to believe the worst of him is telling. If anything the unfairness of much of the attack on Abbott gives me reason to be very sceptical of most of the criticism of him. Like his answer to a question some time back where he admitted to "feeling threated by homosexuals" the response said far more about those who wanted to make an issue of the comments than about Abbott.

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None the less Lexi makes a good case in point with Ruddock, if we are to call examples of hypocrisy SM in this case.

Regardless of any election bought in through the back door, the fate of Australia is in the lap of the gods. Unfortunately Australians don't really understand who the villains are.

They are of course the very same Liberal ideological loonies that reeked changes upon the Trade Practices and the Industrial Relations Acts.

Except the new even more maniacal Abbott version that proposes to slash and burn the public purse and services, to the tune of $70 billion, while paying the polluters to continue with business as usual. No doubt they have further plans to de-regulate rights at work even further causing further damage to job security and family life for most people, they plan to further give business an open reign to decide for us, about the future and charge what they like for goods and services without compensation to the end user/consumer.

Try and sell that baby in an election !.

If we voted for that, against the Gov't we have, despite it's short comings, we would be, the stupidest nation on earth in my estimation, considering the enviable position we find ourselves in today compared to the rest of the world.

If the Gov't we have, has the guts to seek to re-regulate in the area's of the Trade Practices Act, particularly in consumer protection and re-introduces the notion of ethical profit margins, it will have my vote SM.

If the Gov't we have has the guts to make polluters pay and ensure that the cost of that, comes out of their margins, and is not passed onto consumers will have my vote.

Bending over for corporations is not an admirable, nor dignified Aussie activity SM.

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Except the new even more maniacal Abbott version that proposes to slash and burn the public purse and services, to the tune of $70 billion, while paying the polluters to continue with business as usual.
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The public purse is bursting at the seams and needs to be slashed and burned, nothing wrong with that!

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No doubt they have further plans to de-regulate rights at work even further causing further damage to job security.
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You are always free to start your own business and be accountable for your own job security, rather than being a parasite begging for government assistance to look after you because you haven't got the guts!

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If the Gov't we have, has the guts to seek to re-regulate in the area's of the Trade Practices Act, particularly in consumer protection and re-introduces the notion of ethical profit margins, it will have my vote SM.
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You know I've never seen a gun put to anyone's head for leaving their low paid job and trying to better themselves or when they had to decide what to spend their money on. Why should government regulate such things? I've never needed their help in those decisions, what makes you so special?

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Bending over for corporations is not an admirable, nor dignified Aussie activity SM.
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Then don't buy their products or services, pretty easy. And if you feel you're forced to in some strange demented way, perhaps you could start a convoy with fellow disgruntled plebs and bring to others attention your ill feelings toward them. Why should government be made to do this for you at my expense? What you're really saying is, you haven't the guts to stand up for yourself and want someone else to do the dirty work for you and you want others to pay for it!

Not much of a thinker really are you, maybe when you progress to thinker 3 you might get it!

I've obviously struck a raw nerve RawMustard, but I insist that my comments have nothing whatsoever to do with bludgeing off the state, but point out the fact that the balance is out of whack.

What's wrong exactly with polluters paying for pollution, or changing their behaviour?, and legislating for that ?.

Now that Thomson has been referred to the police, and the HSU has stopped protecting him, the question now arises about what part Juliar played in the $90 000 -150 000 hand out to Thomson to keep him solvent.

This scandal is the ultimate wedge for labor and the choice is to keep its integrity or government. I am sure that this scandal will be kept alive until either Juliar ditches Thomson, or there is a new election.