I doubt many people in Somalia will be thinking about contraception at a time when the basics of living are so scarce.
suzeonline,
that's exactly my point. They never think contraception because they never had to. In the pre-colonial days they simply let perish. Western compassion is a cause of much suffering by introducing help thus removing the sense of responsibility from the suffering communities.
That's why the aid organisations need to switch to aid with prevention rather than take on insurmountable mentality & logistics. Step one is to introduce the benefits of contraception. This can be done by rewarding the participants. It would be the first step to stamp out starvation & suffering. The onus of responsibility must be put on those who have the ability to be responsible.

Kerryanne,
re the filthy rich Muslims I'd like to add just on e Saudi Prince who has 8 private jets, big ones, the latest an A380 for a cool 1 billion Dollars. Surely the do-gooders couldn't ask him to help out. I mean the costs to run 8 huge private jets doesn't leave much to help others, does it now ?
Surely an australian pensioner on $30,- week after rent & permits & licenses & Govt charges can spare some money for the non-stop breeders.

Kerryanne and individual,

Would neither of you two intelligent fair-minded Aussies consider reading the article - even just to glean that the West is not blameless in the debacle that unfolded in Somalia?

I find it "deeply offensive", Kerryanne, when neoliberal institutions like the IMF and World Bank move into the developing world and set up structures to syphon off their wealth, while simultaneously destroying traditional social and economic ties.

Kerryanne,

the filthy-rich Muslims are part of the same system as ours. I don't see their excesses as any different. In the West obscene wealth is generally offset by the welfare state, which keeps the working classes mollified (sedated actually), whereas in these Islamic states the old order has been largely unquestioned, or civil disobedience has been put down violently, in the same way we used to do it. The celebrated spread of democracy in the Middle East will merely make it incumbent on corrupt regimes to provide welfare and minimum wages etc., except the world is increasingly incapable of sustaining such global rises in living standards. Welfare standards among the idle poor are likely to be cut in the West--so as to maintain the idle rich in the condition to which they're accustomed--so it is highly doubtful poor countries will transition to democracies. Our precious democracies, incidentally, are not "democracies" in any "qualitative" sense. Social revolutions are likely to erupt all over the world this century, in the West as welfare is cut back and in the East as it fails to emerge, such as we're seeing now. Violent State control will ultimately fail and the system will collapse. The second law of thermodynamics applies also to economics in a closed system. Capital can be readily likened to energy, and entropy is inevitable.
But Kerryanne, you and others here suffer from what I like to call "cultural blindness"; you're incapable of viewing the situation objectively, or from adopting the subaltern perspective (which is also one-faceted and purblind).

Squeers

They are most certainly NOT part of our society and the rich Muslims can buy guns with their trillions in oil money instead of supplying birth control education. As for the west for once i agree with belly. We are heading for a greater depression than the 1020s
Aussies cant pay their mortgages and we have thousands of homeless.
Unlike you i was one of the few who might had arranged assistance to get into the joint via muslim contacts.
Lexi this is what happens when you start talking about helping these people voluntarily. This is what the little lass Amie I think her name was learned on the other thread. They come in with no offer to help or ideas as we were all discussing and just *demand more. Know this Lexi- they will take your food IF! they get it and pray for forgiveness for eating something provided by the west. They are raised to hate us. I know its not their fault but its not yours either.

As I said I am sick of watching mostly the old pensioners pay for aid when the Muslims themselves wont supply birth control education and sit back and watch them breeding and dying.
So why dont you and P go over and take some birth control along with you. We are of course the most generous country on earth mostly based on our strong christain background.

We certainly are the givers of this world and its time to tell them to put some birth control into their system or we will stop all aid

If you really want to help those people thats how you do it

Ok Lexi was a nice thread dear for a while but i dont need idiots annoying me.

See u on another threa

@ Individual & Suzi

Further to: “I doubt many people in Somalia will be thinking about contraception at a time when the basics of living are so scarce.”

Those who don’t think to buy straw hats in winter are liable to get burnt.
And those who are wont to make whoopee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRkaPyyEwgA&feature=related
and lots of babies in lush times are liable to face hunger & want in lean times.

Yemen is not Somalia, but they are geographically and culturally close. Here’s a little piece that might shed some light.

“Over 80 percent of the population know about family planning methods, but the problem lies in practice he said
He said some thought family planning would lead to health problems and that it was not allowed in Islam.
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,IRIN,,YEM,487f10c3c,0.html

@ Squeers (aka Squire --LOL)

Further to : “but there are a lot more items you might have included in your list. Fat westerners living in mansions, for instance, and organ transplants while people die of dirty water and starvation. What about the millions in the beauty and fashion industry too? And on and on it goes.”

Perhaps we should add *our population explosion of social science graduates* who contribute little of worth to the lot of human wisdom, and are often rewarded well beyond their worth.