Dear csteele,

I am in the US at my oldest son's house in Williamsburg, VA waiting for him to come back from Brazil where he is doing anthropological fieldwork. We will go up to the Adirondacks where I spent much of my childhood. To me it's the most beautiful place on earth. In September back to Australia. Have been traveling around the US visiting family & friends.

Dear Pericles,

Was tempted to send the info on & statements of Anders Breivik to Boaz, but my desire to have nothing more to do w him was stronger. He is a missionary and tried to get me to accept his fundy nonsense.

"Is Mise.
You know who White people are, that kind of talk doesn't wash among intelligent company.
Nobody has ever asked me what race I am, these "Who's White anyway?" comments only occur anonymously on the internet, people don't ask such things in real life."

Jay,

I do ask such things in real life, and what's more discuss it among intellegent company, if anthropologists and genealogists are intellegent company. I continually meet people, who are chasing their family trees, that are under the delusion that they are 'pure white'. I usually manage to upset them somewhat when I tell them that the Vikings who raped some of their female ancestors may well have been from Persia and beyond. The Vikings were more interested in fighting prowess and trading savvy than skin colour.
Ireland was also raided by the Moors (today's Algerians et al) and the Rape of Baltimore (near Cork) resulted in many of the men of the village being killed or if lucky (relatively) enslaved. Many of the women are reputed to have said afterwards "Thank God, my husband did his duty by me the night he was killed". There's even a folk song about it.
My own paternal grandfather, a Cork man, was dark enough to be South Indian, his Irish accent however proclaimed him as 'white'.
Some of the greatest delusions about race are held by people who don't know their ancestors beyond a few generations.

Is mise.
All that's irrelevant, both local and international law say race is real and it matters, I'm part of my race, Cathy Freeman is part of her race, Waleed Ali is part of his race, and in the context of this discussion Whiteness is not a construct but a reality.
Whiteness is a concept to be sure but it has physical manifestations, it can be quantified, observed and experienced....c'mon as an intelligent person you must understand that race is not just about genetics.
If Cathy Freeman fronted up to a school and said "I'm White" the kids would stare at her befuddled, if I turned up to an Islamic college and because, like you I have ancestors from Cork I exclaimed "I'm of Moorish descent" I'd be laughed straight back out the gate.
Only White people have to have this pointed out to them. it's a racial trait.
Seriously, do you think there are guys over in Lagos who suddenly realise,
"Damn! those Africans over in America have it a lot better than me! What's up with that? I wonder why they've got more stuff than I have?"

Jay,

Race is a myth and a bigger myth is 'whiteness'.
Without the idea of race there could be no racism.

Most people probably think of Indians as a different 'race' to Europeans, yet give them a photo negative of a group of Indian businessmen in suits and ties and a similar negative of a European group and they can't tell the difference.

Ever met an Indian albino?
Same piink skin as a European albino, same pink eyes, same white hair, same bone structure and indistinguishable one from the other.

Queen Elizabeth the First was upset about the number of 'blackamoors' in the London of her day, the visible evidence of which are the Chocolate Cockneys of today but most of their descendants have been absorbed into the 'white' population.

Is mise.
That's SUCH a White post.
Only a White person would put something like Photographic Negatives, Albinism and Mad Queen Bess together in an argument.
Race is not all about genetics, geneticists are proving that day by day, Pygmies are not adapted to jungle conditions, neanderthals were not adapted to cold, the Irish, Welsh, English and Scots are actually descended from the Basques, there's little to no continuity between modern and ancient Africans, people with the last name Cohen are very closely related after all...every day a new surprise.
Do you realist that these "Hard Core" White Nationalists use the word "Racial Consciousness" in every second sentence?

I've changed my mind.

I earlier recommended that Lexi should avoid reading the "manifesto" of this pathetic excuse for a human being. I now believe that everyone should read it, from cover to cover. Every word.

It is a horrendously "easy" read. There is little or no jargon, or over-the-top hate speech. It is a cold, straightforward collection of all the statements made by people we know, people we have encountered on this Forum, people we meet in pubs and on Sunday barbecues, about "Muslims", and "Islam".

It talks about history, much as Boaz used to do, covering the legitimacy of the Crusades, the heroism of Martel, the siege of Vienna, all the mantras and talismans that we have become so accustomed to hearing, we tend to dismiss them.

It talks about Eurabia. It channels Daniel Pipes, Jihadwatch, Melanie Philips, all the old favourites.

When it then proceeds to discuss the means to eliminate "Category A, B and C" traitors, as well as "Category D Individuals", it is horrifically banal.

It should be compulsory reading for anyone who cares about our civilization. It illustrates, graphically and clinically, the tiny step between talking about this stuff, and inflicting a tragic, meaningless death on innocent bystanders in the name of setting the world to rights.

I used to gently chide Boaz for his "whackamozzie" antics on this Forum. If he ever reappears to try the same game, I now have fifteen hundred and sixteen pages of additional material to discuss with him.

Quite possibly in a somewhat less amicable fashion.