The Green and the Global Elite's philosophy of the planet being way too over populated,coincides nicely with George Bush's and Obama's concept of "A New World Order." Obama's top science advisor Holdren wants to see the world's population reduced to one billion.See Alan Oxley's article today on OLO,' How to lower living standards and perpetuate popverty'

There is no hope for Pericles,he refuses to even understand the most basic concepts of how our increases in productivity should not be expressed as debt by private central banks.They are the source of the present economic crisis, much of the poverty,wars and over population on the planet.

@sonofgloin: Gillard needs this tax because we are broke and in debt.

Geeze. Then Labor really is a pack of galahs.

Did you see their own figures show this "tax" is in fact a tax cut, because money is being transferred from the treasury to us voters. There was an entire thread about here, started 6 days ago. The title says it all really: "The hot air tax: tax less to spend more".

But sssh! Lets not say it too loud, because if they learn that their clever plan to become a big spending government is in fact doing the reverse who knows, they might try and take it back.

rs quote..""their own figures show this "tax"
is in fact a tax cut,""'

lol mate thats when juliar said one million
will pay no tax..cause SHE raised the threshhold

but look closer
yes the threshold of tax has gone up
BUT the ammount iof tax required to BE PAID..has gone up
[FOR ONLY THE LOWEST TWO...@ 3% increase
but the highest is unchanged..!]

to wit basiclly you pay 3 % MORE TAX
cause who earns below 17,000[bracket creep]

just like we ALL pay an acces charge
regardless of how much we use it stays the same
millionars pay $30 bucks to acces the lines
just as the poor PAY THE SAME

my water has minumum of service fee plus water used
[same phoner/power rego etc]]
now i use less than the basic fees
yet pay the same

like rego...[and COMPULSORY thrird party]
i ONLY use two tanks of fuel PER YEAR
but pay the same rate as one who drives non stop

its a scam
i dont use the phone
yet must pay a basic serrvice fee
MORE than the cost of calls..its like that with EVERYTHING

big ab/users SHOULD PAY MORE
the more you use..the more you SHOULD have to pay

""because money is being transferred
from the treasury to us voters""

mate ALL MONEYS..go to the fed reserve bank
not one cent into treasury

"The hot air tax:
tax less to spend more".
But sssh! Lets not say it too loud,""

it is a hot air tax
your paying for a compound you cant see
you cant measure the c02 releassed from gassy coal or not gassy coal

or wether its wet..or burnt affectivly
generalisations is not science
just as consensus ISNT science

hot air tax..""because if they learn
that their clever plan to become a big spending government
is in fact doing the reverse who knows,..they might try and take it back.""

mate once we give the tax INCOME to the commodity traders
they will increase its price

noting china's tax rate will be one dollar 50 cents
nz is virtualy coal free...[ie mostly hydro/and hydro thermal]
so their 15$..per ton..dont hurt much

we got a MANDATED 23$
that is MANDATED to go UP EVERY YEAR

those bering bought off with grants FOR NOW
wont be getting it in 3 years..or have gone to china

the rich are rich cause they dont pay tax
cause they got lawyers...family trusts
and hundreds of other clever scams

That does not surprise me Arjay, but you must also realise such Ideas are not new; If you listen to the first link ; ‘The Law’ , that Idea goes back to Egyptian- Greek – etc eras ; be it for a fact for those times , they achieved it. But perished just as fast.
It is not enough to attribute this Idea purely to Green Ideology, it is as Much Liberal – Labour – Democrats or any political Full Frontal lobotomism of any type you wish to name ; and as the word has been introduce here by rstewart; “Egalitarianism”; Now , who here actually knows what this is?

And until people come to realise it , the conspiracy theories will keep rolling on for eternity;
Here is your answer;
A chapter from Theory and History ; http://mises.org/media/5341/11-The-Challenge-of-Scientism

Just link to the mp3 file it is an Audio File ;The Website is under reconstruction ; there, add to another conspiracy.

There's no point in a discussion that is conducted through the exchange of meaningless slogans, fellas. If you don't want to engage with the facts, then simply say so. All this huffing and puffing about global elites is simply a smokescreen for the fact that you understand nothing about the conduct of finance, and refuse to believe that anything can happen without the intervention of some form of surrogate supreme being, who shuffles money around like they're operating some kind of mysterious and powerful Rubiks cube - now you see it here here, now you see it there.

Everything that is happening in the world of finance is clearly explicable using perfectly normal logical and factual processes of reasoning and deduction. Arjay, for example, is unable to answer the simplest "what happens then" question, simply because he refuses to apply straightforward "if, then, else" logic.

No-one is pulling magical strings, guys. Yes, some people are getting extraordinarily rich at the expense of the rest of the population. And guess where the vast majority of new billionaires are being created right now? That's right. China. And how are they doing this? By making and selling stuff. Where are the Global Elite in all this? Have they relinquished their top-dog status?

Stop for a moment. Give away the slogans. Follow the money.

It's so simple, it's laughable.