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*it's the addict..

good points.

Re addict problem- imop Public shouldn’t be asked to pay because others kids cooked their brains on dope. All we see are mothers screaming there isn’t enough $ drug addict son.- Others demanding our $ to raise `their kids, free child care. Australia is a basket case for welfare.
Back to addicts a short story.
Once knew and old Greek Mafia boss . Long retired accept for his restaurant ( mostly for his friends ). After closing he`d drive to the mountains stand there just talk for hours about the old days. Told me of a little Island back in his homeland & how they finally cleared it up from addicts.
Turns out they did nothing –zip.
He spoke of brothers, sisters, mothers dads would come looking for their loved ones where the junkies or hung & hit up & dealt. Many carried off dead. No coppers no fuss nothing. He reckoned you could hear crying and hysterical screaming of grief. He told me once a lady came up to him hysterical screaming - why don’t you do something. He replied- I just did. Said sisters and brothers carried their family member off they never forgot & never touched drugs. The Island cleaned itself up & you couldn’t find a needle on the place. He changed my mind from stricter to legalizing drugs.
I think its time to be honest call them addicts and give them an island.

As for the death pen, Yep guilty beyond doubt.

* child support*.
people expect us to support their kids and my absolute pet hate after live exports.
I was saying earlier a license & proof you can support your own is long overdue.

I do not support $ going to all these single mothers who never work & have 4&5 kids.

*Ahh, that statement makes your feelings about us city folk clear at last. I'm glad to see it.*

Ah rstuart, but I am in the position to judge both worlds, as I deal
with both. I've seen some of these people live in the back of
shearing sheds, not complaining, just getting on with the job. All
I see in the city is more paper shuffling, more claims to entitlements,
more living the good life. Australia not only rode
on the sheeps back, but also on the back of those farmers who
toiled away out there, with no thanks from anyone. To me they are
the unsung heros, not you city slickers building houses for one
another for a living. What really happens out in the bush, you
clearly are not aware of, as your posts show.

*That only thing that does that is education*

Gawd rstuart, I would have thought it was bleeding obvious that some
of that billion would include educating those who want it, how to
use it. Hiring educators in the third world is pretty cheap btw.

*It reduced those costs over 30% in the last 5 years*

I never made that claim, so quit creating your own strawman arguments.
For of course part of those costs are local. But the drop in price
on inputs is still significant, which helps deal with the subsidy
payments thrown at EU and US farmers who compete against us in the
marketplace.

*it's always the weather that's got it in for them.*

No rstuart, the weather is simply a reality that agriculture has
to deal with and plan for as best they can, something which most
city slickers do not even consider in their business planning.
Its easier for them to invent another Ponzi scheme like building
more houses for more migrants and suck that dry. Or tax the remaining
efficient exporters some more.

Just a quick question, Is anyone substantially better off under the carbon tax?

We know the farmers, the steel and coal workers aren't, the small business owners, retailers and manufacturers aren't.

My only thought is the carbon traders and bankers. Any other suggestions.

@Yabby: All I see in the city is more paper shuffling, more claims to entitlements, more living the good life

You forgot two things, Yabby. Firstly there is plenty of space in the city for those country folk who want to share in this "good life". If it is a tough in the country as you say, and as good in the cities as you say, I'm surprised the outback isn't empty. If what you say is true I guess it will be, because they will all be broke.

And secondly, and much more importantly, there are more votes.

And with that I must bid you good night.

Sm, that's the whole point, what's the point. Nobody is better off.

At best, the consumer will be compensated formtheir out of pockets, so, why raise the tax in the first place, if they only intend to give it back.

They claim it's for the better of the environment, sure, if our air were to be used exclusively for Australians, but is not.

As I have said, why no just spend the billions they are committing on clean energy research. But perhaps we had best wait for a change in government as that would be to risky given this mobs record on waste.

I have stayed out of the farm debate,however, what those that are not in business realize is that it is almost impossible to run a business because a large portion of staff are mine workers in the waiting.

We have a country in recession and a booming mining sector with the end result being what is described as a strong ecomomy. Try telling that to a retailer, manufacturer, tourist operator or farmer.

The average Joe is in denial to the fact that their provided world is on the brink of colapse

@Shadow Minister: My only thought is the carbon traders and bankers. Any other suggestions.

Is it a bit late in the night Shadow? There are no carbon traders - this is a carbon tax if you recall. And there won't be any if Abbott rolls it all back, as he promises he will.

What any of this has to do with the banks is a bit of a mystery.

@Shadow Minister: Just a quick question, Is anyone substantially better off under the carbon tax?

Can we drop the word substantially? I don't know anybody who is going to be substantially anything because of the carbon tax in the next few years.

So to answer your question, over 50% of households will be better off. Which will be a problem for the Liberals, should Labor ever be able sell their message. Granted, it's looking like they could not sell a pork chop in a Sub-Saharan refugee camp right now.