Here is the real problem.
It is not clean energy that should be our aim but alternate energy.

Peak world coal can be expected around 2025.
Peak oil occurred in 2006.
Peak gas, sooner than many think, but still being argued about.

We will need these fossil energy sources and minerals to manufacture
the energy systems of the future.
Our current aims will also rob us of the finance need to make the transition.
It will take more than 20 years to make such a transition, but we will
not make it if we get diverted into shutting down coal mining and
concentrate on suppressing the use of fossil fuels.

If we do not change our aims and abandon the current headlong anti
carbon campaign we will not get to a sustainable future.
If we continue as we are a good business will be breeding draught
horses and building sailing ships.

Dear Hasbeen,

I don't for a minute doubt that it saddens you. It saddens me as well
that you don't seem to be able to Google the information that's there
on the web to find. Go to your local library and ask for help.
I'm not going to do your research for you. If you really want to learn
the facts - go and seek them. They're not a secret.

Oh and yes, Shadow Min, Hasbeen, Spindoc, Lexi etc, you do believe,
do you that this is not all about the weather, but to enable the
setting up of another Ponzi scheme to rescue the financial system.

It is now official that the derivatives and CDOs, (Carbon Debt Obligations)
trading is being readied. The banks look like being the
first off the starting blocks, but I am sure they will be joined by
a fleet of shonks.

Tell me, how will they measure the CO2 that is expelled from whatever
process gets taxed ? It is an invisible, tasteless, very thin gas.
All the process controls in the world can be fiddled to give duff
readings and the government inspectors which they have just appointed
no doubt at some fantastic salary, would have no way of knowing what
is really going on in the plant or other business.

It is taylor made for corruption. This is exactly what has happened in
Europe. The Russian oligarchs made billions out of the European
scheme. Where do you think those Russian billionares suddenly came from ?

It was laughable to hear Wayne Swan prattling on about the checks
that would be made to ensure accurate returns to the government were
made. They have no end of problems in Europe with fraud in their
scheme and do you really think the government will be able to control it ?
Gord, they couldn't even install pink batts without a monumental fraud.

What makes you think they can manage something like this ?

Anyone who thinks coal will be cheap and plentiful should read this;

http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-07-15/end-cheap-coal

My father inlaw is a power station engineer, my wife is a CEO of 2 power generator companys, I've had 44 years in electrics. Oz stations are the cleanest on the planet, 5 stage scrubbers [ screens, electrostatic, fluid etc ]eliminate 95% of pollutants, most of the scenes you see are cooling towers, emitting H2O not CO2. The ash is used for road mix or other produsts or returned to ground [ It IS carbon unless it is transmogrified to something else ]. I used to build elecric distribution cable. We have the generators to power new zealand AND new Guinea as well as oz, there are over 420 generators available.
what we DON'T have is the infrastructure to get it anywhere [ profits LOOTED by the labor governments. No I don't know how much CO2 is emitted but question is eroneous to me at this point since CO2 is a benific to all life.

Pepper: Oz stations are the cleanest on the planet, 5 stage scrubbers, screens, electrostatic, fluid etc. eliminate 95% of pollutants, most of the scenes you see are cooling towers, emitting H2O not CO2. The ash is used for road mix or other produsts or returned to ground.

Way to go pepper. Most of these people are Larte Greenies. They think Milk comes from a carton. Wait until they find out you have to squeeze a cows tits to get the milk out so you can put it in the carton. How embarrassed must those cows must be. They dont have to think. They just go with the Greenie flow, which ever way it goes.

I was on the Sunlander going past tne Invicta Sugar Mill when a lady called me to the window & pointed out to me the terrible polution coming from the stsck. I had to explain that that was just steam. She said, "Oh, is it" 5 minutes later she was pointing out the pollution to someone else. So I told her again in front of her crowd. Ypu can see the steam for your self on Google Earth at 19. 31' 01.65" S, 147. 06 '23.22" E. Giru, Nt Qld. Oh, the smoke stack from the diesal Generator is just a bit to the north of the steam stack. No smoke.

None of them have atempted to answer any of the Questions I asked. They just want to winge about something they know nothing about.