Dear Jayb,

Thanks for your civilized and well reasoned response.
I'm not an expert in the field and the information
that I get is from written sources, databases, and a
bit of common sense. I'm sure that the experts in their
appropraite fields will be able to come up with much better
innovations for renewable technology than anything I or
you could suggest. And that's what this is all about as your
thread title says - "Clean Energy."

Dear spindoc,

Scraping the bottom of the barrel? I was merely referring
you to more current information that I thought it appropriate
for you to at least be aware of so that you would not continue
making sweeping generalisations. Perhaps you should go back
and re-read my post - it was merely in response to the information you were providing.

Lexi, I'm not an expert either, but I hope you & others can see what I'm getting at.
It's all very well to shout clean energy, It's another to implement it & that is where the problem lays.
I still think the Government would be better off forgetting the suppliments for the poor & pensioners (& I'm one). A better solution, as I've said before would be to give every household in Australia a 2,4kW Solar System. It'd be a one off large expense. Pensioners wouldn't have to worry about how they are going to pay the Leccy Bill. The saving to them would be worth more than the paultry $510 suppliment & $10 a week increase. Juliars way is $1030 for the year to cover a $1500 Leccy bill. Still short by $470. With the solar panels the pensioner savings would be the whole $1500. Something Pensioners could do with. So the Government could save the $1030 pe person & put it into subsidising more clean Energy. It would creat a Win, Win Situation.

Lexi,

Don’t you ever feel just a little bit silly?

I posted ten media articles that are relevant to public information on our current debate. They are current international media releases but have received little coverage in our media.

You may choose to refer to these media releases as “wrong assertions”, you may even choose to refer to them as “sweeping generalizations”. In the end what you are signaling is that whatever media release you read, from whatever journalists, from wherever in the world; if it is a threat to your orthodoxy it must be neutralized.

Attack independent critical thinking, Totalism, shoot the messenger, discourage dissent, polarized group think, Opposer warnings, blind adherence to single orthodoxy, obsessiveness, sense of persecution and deceit.

Yes, we do get it, but you leave us little room for anything other than ridicule.

Where on earth is your embarrassment gene?

'clean' energy..is like 'clean' coal
the focuss group loved it

politics..plays poli-tricks..to get into power
and serve those who HELPED them..get into power
rupert is allowed to self regulate
and mugs pay tax

i hear the costs of pulic transport are going to go up 3%
i se all the electric refrigeraters..and frozen food
that is going to get an extra carbon tax on their dirty power

[so food going up a small bit..well thats purely spin..
[as long as the shop pays power bills..or needs gas cooking]

transport fuel tax...in 3 years
conveniantly drops it from the current debait

se how we are constantly being decieved
yes the tax theshold goes up..
but so too the tax rate

YET THE HIGHEST TAX RATE DONT CHANGE...lol
clean/green..they are buzzwords
greenhouse gas...[there are many gresnhouse PROUCING gas'ssss]..
nitrousoxide is worse that c02..[from nitrogen/food farming]
methane..[mining/gas production]..is 100 times worse than c02..

YET we exzempt farmers..and big petrol
and are going for clean/green gas
that we obtain via DIRTY methods
thus isnt,,'clean'

is coal fired clean
by burning coal gas?
[the poisen has to go somewhere..like into our watertable]

the two biggest poluters
who run the 2 party scam..
via focus groups..and the sellout media
are ,...lol clean..only because its in their spin

Dear spindoc,

Where on earth is my embarrassment gene?
Obviously not in the same place as yours
if you can ignore all the scientific facts,
rational, and evidence that is put forward and easily available
in reports, scientific magazines, various databases, and other
credible sources. Lord Monckton, shock jocks, the Murdoch media,
and Tony Abbott and Co. are not the "experts," I tend to rely on
for my information. BTW, If you don't like my opinion of you,
you can always improve.

Dear Jayb,

Fair enough.

Lexi where is your research experience, when you have not found, or not admitted the existence of, the massive & rapidly increasing amount of evidence that global warming is a failed theory.

That you don't look saddens me.