Of what use are any of the worthless words from Gillard?

This thread was generated by the bold announcement by Gillard that "her" electorate relied on their cars, obviously because of poor public transport, so no tax on fuel, now or ever, the compassionate Gillard, what a joke. This creature stood up in the party room less than two years ago and said "don't give the pensioners a rate rise because most of them don't vote for us anyway", what a loathsome thought to express regarding the ones who fought and worked for the freedom and prosperity she is using to achieve her Fabian ends.

Just a reminder of the lies from this government, the ones that got them voted in:

Promised $300 million for dental care...lie
Promised 36 Super Clinics...lie
Promised Federal Hospital Takeover...lie
Promised NBN to cost $4 BILLION, now to cost $40+ Billion...lie
Promised to keep fuel and grocery prices down...lie
Promised to build 260 childcare centres on school grounds…lie
Promised to be "economic conservatives' before immediately becoming the highest-spending government in Australia's history...lie
Promised to take Japan to the international courts to stop whaling...lie
Promised to keep the Medicare Rebate at 30%...lie
Promised to lift the ‘cruel' limitations on Medicare rebates for IVF treatments, instead Labor places caps on all IVF treatments, all obstetric services, and ultrasounds...lie
Promised to spend $672 million to indigenous housing in the Northern Territory...lie
Promised to hold a referendum on fixed four year terms for federal parliament...lie
Promised there will be no Carbon tax in a Gillard Labor government…lie
Promised Promised Promised …….that there will be no Carbon tax on fuel, now or ever…

Nothing that comes out of this Prime Ministers mouth in public is of any value, , she lies like a mountain range, all over the place.

This is result of corporate control of our Govts.Bureaucracy be it Govt or Corporate can be just as inefficient and corrupt.There is no concern for the "common good".The bottom line is short term profit or monetary gain at the behest of social/economic decline.We are witnessing it right now.

Sonofgloin” Of what use are any of the worthless words from Gillard?”

There is nothing new in Labor making grand statements of pointlessness, to draw in the suckers, you see them posting here often enough, the gullible idealists of the left, intent on imposing their stupidity on the rest of us.

Whitlam… dug his own grave with his own arrogance
Hawke… lied about children growing in poverty, whilst betraying the woman he was married to
Keating… lied about Tax reductions being written in “L. A. W.”

Now Krudd and Gizzards & Co have

Reversed the annual budget surplus turning it into a deficit and incurred a lot of debt in the name of socialist incompetence
Thrown money into pointless school halls
Attempted and failed to gag the internet
Are interfering in the an individuals right to gamble as an individual chooses, all to appease a fruitbat from Tsmania, which produces a conflict with Windsor, the renegade from Armadale ( who is one of the “dead men walking” – since he has betrayed his electorate and will never get into parliament again)
Proposed a technically inferior NBN in the name of fatuous “nation building”
Applied a lot of money into stupidly Insulating houses, killing some fellows, burning down properties and rendering a lot of other houses insurance impaired with faulty insulation.
To appease the green minority they are pursuing a fraudulent Carbon Tax, based on inestimable pseudo-measures of liability and bribes to people to support their flawed ideology.

So Sonofgloin” Of what use are any of the worthless words from Gillard?”

They are worth remembering when you come to vote at the next general election.

What an interesting thread. It seems that the future leaders of our country will have to be fully honest. There's an old saying " you can fool some of the people sometimes...but you cant fool all the people all of the time......and that my friends, that is why the people of Australia are just sick of the currant leaders form, except Bob Brown.

Well how about that! The greens have to stop the lying in-fighting by other preferred two bull-dust ex-spellers of truth, and enough is enough.

When are we in Australia, going to have an honest leader-ship? or are the puppets strings being pulled by big business? Well, no-brainer there:) So if the truth is the light....who's holding the torch?

Again! The people are getting sick of it.

Col, here is your hero in full form.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/05/17/2901971.htm

LEAP

Bob Brown said he was in favour of Global Governance via the UN.Gillard has pledged 10% of the carbon taxes to the UN.They want the ETS/carbon taxes as another derivative to impoverish the middle class.

Our global central banksters fund and back the Greens,IMF and World Bank.They also back the invasion of oil rich nations like Iraq and Libya.Putting oil and other rersources in fewer hands means less competition and poverty for most of us.All powerful corporates are just like communist govts.They take all and give little back.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/tony-abbott-spins-it-and-muzzles-his-own-men/story-e6frgd0x-1226086728259
This link questions the world some live in.
Not from a left leaning paper but a right wing one the deliberate miss information is not changing any thing

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/mandates-and-eggheads-the-latest-victims-of-tony-the-human-slogan-20110703-1gx64.html
A balanced understanding is in both links.
We all should ask on what basis, from what great well of understanding and information is the some what strident anti Labor stuff coming.

belly quote...""We all should ask on what basis,
from what great well of understanding and information
is the some what strident anti Labor stuff coming.""

well well belly
the well we get our info from..is the mouths of the media
or rather the spin they spin...[seems if they say 1000..that means one thousand industries consumers]..why LIE

why say 1000
WHEN WE ALL KNOW ..we all going to pay

mate its easy to spot the spin
YOU GOING TO PAY..im going to pay
WHY the heck even try to sopin it so 'only 1000 will pay'

when they mean..only 1000 will collect it
[from the rest of us]...mate thats spin
if it dont sound logical..ITS A LIE

and yes they all lie

MATE i helped rudd get in
sent him much advice..till he abused the ideas
[just like jonny howhard did before him]

we NEED new rules
if you lie..you have to give back the paqy..and pensions
THEY OBTAINED BY FRAUD...lie is fraud

hold the bbbbbasturds..to account
keep the brassturds honest

mate its all a lie
EVEN they sold out
how much power they got now?

you can fool the party some of the time
and fool the party supporters most of the time
but they really believe they CAN FOOL THE VOTERS all the time

because no matter who ya vote for
we get a liar..serving his party adgenda..NEVER the voter

all polititions talk lies
if they lie..THATS FRAUD
obtaining advantage BY FRAUD
[go to jail...directly to jail]

look up odious debt
[ie qlds soon to be 85 BILLION debt]

thats fraud too
but worse..those who lent to criminals
created an odious debt..by lie..thus were pound foolish
and knowingly consorted to crimanal act..facilitaded public fraud

its time to jail the party bosses
party loyalty is treason*..upon the people
in france they got the guila/rd-teen[gulliteen]
anyone having sat in parliment..KNOWS their isnt ever a quorum
[till a division is called]..

and then they cant wait to rush back to blogging
or watching porn on their free govt computers

sonofgloin,

This all gets more whacky by the minute.

Julia says Abbott was wrong about “petrol going up under a CO2 Tax”.

Then she announces;

Promised …….”that there will be no Carbon tax on fuel, now or ever…”

Then she says well it won’t go up for “households or small business, just big business”

So electricity will go up because of the carbon tax that “big polluters will pay”, but actually they won’t pay because they will pass it on in higher prices, which is why Julia has to pay compensation.

So if electricity is going up because of a tax on polluters, how will petrol “not” up through taxing big business with a CO2 tax? Petrol companies, refineries, distribution depots and transport companies will all pay the CO2 tax so they will pass on their costs at the pump just the same won’t they?.

So Abbott is right, petrol will go up anyway, even if you exempt domestic consumption?

Then we have “no tax on petrol….ever”.

However Julia then says, well, not until we have the excise inquiry in three years that I just promised the Greens.

I think the best place for me is IN the asylum, it’s all too strange out here, or have I got this all wrong?

Julia Gillard's word is gold.

There will be no carbon tax on petrol.

Unless of course circumstances change, like say Bob Brown says so, or the polling changes, or it rains, or unless the productivity commissions says it is a good idea.

Principles of a wharf rat, and spine of a jelly fish.

Belly I am not interested in the quality of leadership or the transparency, or lack of, that Abbott is exhibiting at the moment. Who gives a tinkers cuss about the infighting in the Liberal Party, they do not have a majority, and as long as they do not want to spend $50 Billion on cables and ditches they are common sense winners, and that is what we need a dose of.

Belly Greece is looking for about double what Gillard will borrow to dig holes in the ground to save their nation and we are borrowing that and pissing it into the wind because of a Fabian traitor to Australia with an agenda written by foreigners.

The Liberal coalition is a long second when it comes to Australian political milestones, the kudos all goes to this Labor government.

Labor firsts:
Record deficit
Record borrowing
Record spent consultants.
Record spends on media and advisors.
Record number of ministerial staff in every portfolio.
Record number of "new" departments started.
Record number of legislated projects abandoned in one term.
Record number of failures, we have not heard much on set top, but that is coming.

ETC ETC ETC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jtiJPlv4Y
John Winston Howard his words here question todays lessor leader of his party.
We can, if we look,see spin lies and more on both sides.
But if a bigger teller of lies exists than Abbott I have not seen him/her.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/09/climate-change-cage-match-abbott-debates-abbott/
I confidently rest my case.

Hi! just a newbie here

Belly this isn’t about who is the bigger Pinocchio; it is about the Pinocchio in power now. They all twist and spin, but Gillard and Swan were unequivocal when replying to a direct question from the electorate about a Carbon tax during an election, bald faced lying does not come any bolder than that given it was a topic that would influence every man woman and child in Australia.

Their response no doubt would have changed the result of the election given the loses they incurred electorally because of the things they had implemented, and failed at miserably. A Carbon tax would have been the last straw for many disillusioned Labor voters. The lie saved their slippery backsides, that is why this lie ranks above all I can recall for base immorality, if they were a private enterprise and gave such an undertaking publicly you could take them to the cleaners in court given the court would consider the spoils on offer and the breadth of the deception.

Belly you get duds in every organization but in the past 25 years 15 Labor politicians have served or are serving jail terms, the Liberals have had 5 politicians sent to jail the same period and I may add none of them were sex crimes, and no children were involved.

Do you see where I am going Belly, your party has a moral vacuum and that is not conducive to equitable honest governance, and you have a bald faced liar leading the rabble of incompetent self serving zeros.

SonofGloin,
You should be VERY interested in what the Opposition is saying and doing - considering they are the only alternative.

If you don't like what Labor are doing, those unprincipled liars waiting in the wings may have a few nasty surprises of their own in store.

It like a choice between Hitler or Stalin.

Oh and some of those alleged records did actually belong to Howard, particularly in relation to media advisors and consultants.

He also had his fair share of economic disasters as well - not to mention a War or two and a fair slab of deliberately whipped-up racism as a scapegoat distraction from his lack of policies.

It's mostly that he had a far more effective spin machine and supportive media at his disposal.

Some people have really short memories. This is very reminiscent of the viciousness of the Whitlam era and I've seen it all before. I also know what happens next.

Wobbles and Belly,

The comparison should be between 11 years of fiscal competence, with record growth, and 4 years of incompetence, lies, debt, and productivity degeneration.

wobbles is right
its like chosing between stalin and adolf
or between idi amin..or pol pot...[noting they didnt get bombed
or renditioned into the dep sea by seals]

but to correct shadows missconceptions
""The comparison should be between 11 years of fiscal competence,""

ie selling telsta..etc
by setting up a ridiculous price
after the first price was a giveaway?

then salting it away in a liberatchic run retirement/investment sceme
for public servants pensions"

""with record growth,""

created by slavelike work cobntracts in 5 years terms
forcing trolley boys to work for the dole
or do other unpaid work..'volenteering'..for multinational/charities

or building a fence for a farnmer..
or planting trees that die
enshrouded by sleeves of plastic...
sold for ten times its true value?

""and 4 years of incompetence,""

no johnny was more like 12 year's
of.."" lies, debt, and productivity degeneration""

children over board
work for life..well past retirment
pay tax on the little things..but not big bonus

john is dead and gone
yesterdays man..i recall the silence
when he in usa..[lol]...was skiting how he got rid of guns

it was a lead balloon
he knew how to highjack the media bias
shape the news...just like they all do
by lies and spin

but why focus on the opposition
im allways against
whoever is ruling for themselves and their party line
keep the focus on those MAKING the corruption...NOW*

the oppositions job is to oppose
[i gave him that one]..

but WHEN..its a selective opposition
that reveals its run..by its party machine men
not to serve the people..[as in ALL the people with basics]

not just gifts EXTRAS..subsidies
for the special select elect they really serve

WE GOT THE GOVT WE DEserve
cause our party loyaty has got party loyalists

party loyalty IS TREASON

the fed/constitution...44..[i]..[ii]...[iv]..[v]

SOG
The two-party system is dying because the fact is both parties exhibit a moral vaccuum.

Abbott is doing a good job of opposing all policies on the principles of 'opposition' and it is infecting all of his party members. One only has to tune into any interview of a Liberal politician and it is all the same rhetoric. Matthias Cormann's reactions on Q&A last night is indicative of this viral trend.

There is no bipartisanship forthcoming even on the most important of issues. And the about-face on the attempted take-over of Reith and cronies for the Liberal Party leadership - now you see him, now you don't.

Is this the sort of leader you wish for? Why is Abbott a better alternative? Just not being Gillard is not enough.

We need new and better democratic parties who are not beholden to corporate interests and who represent the people who elect them in good faith. The Liberal Party are more likely to put the interests of the big end of town first, the ALP is no better.

You would think the result of the last election was enough to wake the two major parties up from their sleep - but apparently not so - just remember this at the next election.

Aww, give it a rest, no matter what, it is fair to say that most pollies on both sides should be buried in a saxaphone, they are all too bent to lie in a straight line.
John Winston Howard told the biggest lie of all with the "Children Overboard", leaving the Chief of Defense as the fall guy.
Most of the media is responsible for twisting the truth in a big way, and btw, just because a polly promises something, no-one said that it all had to happen straight away......the war in the middle east, the floods in Queensland and W.A., plus, not forgetting the financial collapse world wide, will all take time my friends, if you all think that you can do a better job, then become a politician and see how hard it is.

Labor has not lived up to our expectations, that is a given.
The back down on climate change.
Removal of Rudd, slowness in addressing problems in the pink bats and BER.
All true, but we also fail to sell our positives BER AND PINK BATS are wins more than failures.
Remember,have no doubt,Abbott has sold fear lies, absolutely stupid policy's, to the very same people Labor takes for granted understand our achievements.
I am trying to avoid threads such as this, they mirror Tony Abbott, duck weave run, do anything rather than confront the truth.
On Sunday things change, not over night, but with certainty change.
Abbott his servants like Joe Hockey, his masters like Minchin know,Labor could not release the plans for carbon tax, they did not exist till yesterday.
Some may still be on the table.
Today ,this truly strange impersonator of a leader,said, hear this! the so called pollution tax, he STILL says it is and it is not man made.
On Sunday his fear campaign, his made up threats about its impacts comes a Gutsa!
Slowly, but surely and firmly his false faced nature is going to remove him.
Onya Bike bloke its nearly time.

All Abbott is doing is holding up the mirror. It is all the disgusting sides of Gillard are being shown simultaneously, that's the problem.

I can understand how this makes Labor supporters squirm. It is not a pretty sight.

I was not in the country at the time, but from what I saw from a distance, the libs must have had a similar problem when they were silly to make McMahon PM.

It is time for you Labor supporters to do something. This fool woman is going to bury you so deep you may never be able to dig yourselves out again.

I shudder to think of it, but too much more of her, & Brown's prophecy may just come true.

"The comparison should be between 11 years of fiscal competence, with record growth, and 4 years of incompetence, lies, debt, and productivity degeneration" - but with consideration given to the effects of (and solution to) an unprecedented global financial collapse, plus now a hung parliament and an obstructionist opposition.

Record growth should also include the record increases in homelessness, suicide rates, personal bankruptcies and corporate collapses -all of which fourished during the Howard Miracle Years, not to mention incompetence in awarding huge various military contracts for equipment that did not work plus failed currency swaps.

Running down one side does not automatically elevate the other side.

Wobbles

Far-right appears to be unable to hold up a mirror to itself.

In addition to what you have written; 11 years of zero maintainence, let alone improving infrastructure in roads, rail, education, health and no effort at preparation for climate change apart from a belated attempt by Howard in his final election campaign - would his proposed ETS have turned out to be a non-core promise had he won 2007?

And Labor is as bad on the issue of boat refugees, delaying action on climate change - Carbon Tax is looking like too little too late.

Neither party stands up well to any scrutiny. However, with 11 years of lies and obfuscation behind them the Libs remain the less worthy choice. Abbott has done everything to confirm that the Libs have learned nothing from being in opposition. His latest game with Turnbull.... leaves me very worried that the Liberal party will ever find its way again.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/mps-free-to-talk-if-they-have-leaders-approval/story-e6frgd0x-1226088410418
Hopefully room exists to look at the very real mess on the other side, control, one man team and the endless lies

Belly

The final paragraph in your link:

"There are tensions brewing to the surface in the Liberal Party. Lucky for Abbott he is dominant in the polls. Were that not the case, Liberal divisions could become a bigger story."

I cannot, for the life of me, understand Abbott's popularity. What does this say about the mainstream voter? The man is a walking disaster, as ignorant as he is obstinate. If integrity could be said to exist within any member of the Liberals, I'd have to endorse Turnbull, were it not for the Gordon Grech affair.

Liberals: if they can't smear others, they throw sh1t over themselves. Not a party that is either a worthy opposition or future government.

Ammonite Gday, I too would have once said I can not understand Abbott's popularity.
But I learned a long time ago, mud sticks.
So too some are ever willing to form opinions based on,well who shouts the loudest.
Joe the flying Peanut spoke a foreign language but he did it loudly, impressing some.
Today, watch this space, those who would be unable to give reasons of substance, say he was Godlike.
Every such person in history has fallen, on the sword they rise to the top on,their words and actions first rise then bring the fall.
After Abbott, after history judges him,and our views are seen to be no far wrong, few will claim ownership of views they throw at us here.
We have waited Sunday begins a trip that ends with smiles for me and I think you.

wobbles:>> SonofGloin, You should be VERY interested in what the Opposition is saying and doing - considering they are the only alternative.
If you don't like what Labor are doing, those unprincipled liars waiting in the wings may have a few nasty surprises of their own in store.<<

I have no doubt about that wobbles, but I have to take the overwhelming problems that arrived with Rudd and factor down to something that I can adjudicate on. I have given up on free the slaves and clothe the whales because the future of my Country lays in the hands of delusional Fabian post grad adult ideologues who consider themselves part of the global intelligencia.

So I am going with economic record of the past 70 years. The Labor party has always entered office with the budget in surplus. The Labor party has always handed over office with the budget in deficit, each larger than the former, and this one will be the largest in Australia’s history.

Yes a budget in surplus SOG but nothing spent on infrastructure.

We seem to have one party who spend willy nilly without due care nor proper oversight, and another who collect the same amount of tax revenue but do nothing of value with it but hand it out in middle class and corporate welfare while slagging off the disadvantaged.

It is Hobson's Choice, While there are two alternatives, the fact is a vote for either amounts essentially to the same outcome.

Well said, Pelican.

Middle-class welfare came into into it's own under the Howard government, and now its standard operating procedure for both parties as a vote buying strategy.

With both parties beholden to the stewardship of an economic system that produced the GFC, it's simply a case of business as usual - apparently with our tacit approval.

Why is it that we have ended up with a two party system where they seem to morph into one odious political entity? I can barely bring myself to watch the news or read the papers these days without feeling nauseated by the parlous state of federal politics in this country. Why do we stand for it?

pelican:>> Yes a budget in surplus SOG but nothing spent on infrastructure.<.

pelican, I agree, a deplorable record, but some Libs may argue that the Howard government took 10 years to pay back the deficit left to them from Keating. Your point is more than valid though

It is obvious that one side builds up a big surplus bu cutting spending and destroying infrastructure which in turn requires the other side to spend extensively to repair all the damage.

No if politicians were intelligent they would work out budgets ahead of time, like most of us do with our households, live well, and within our means. That is not that difficult - if they only tried.
However, politicans are influenced by special interests and it could be almost akin to corruption.

Sensible people don't pay attention to rhetoric but judge the politicians on worthy achievments that contribute to nation building.
Both sides promise a lot but do they deliver?

"If you don't like what Labor are doing, those unprincipled liars"

Well said Wobbles.

SM,

Point of Order Sir. Point of Order.

Wobbles was referring to "those unprincipled liars waiting in the wings." Typical tactic of you (and your party colleagues) to selectively quote. It doesn't work - watch 'Question Time.'

there are few nations 'in credit'
most if not all have a deficite..[cause thats how the scam runs]

see the bankers...lend govt money
because their own treasury went broke
[when the bankers decided to buy up war bonds
and demand govt pay them in full with gold/silver coin]

when the warmongers went broke
the bangkruptcy trustee's..
[the bankers running the federal reseve]
took over their[OUR]..treasuries/mints...
and eventually took all their[our]..gold and silver

the benfit of issuing money..
IS NO LONGER HELD BY GOVT...[us the people]
but by bankers...john was told to clear the debt
[to get control back over the fed]...krudd was told too

i explained it to him..and wayne
when the world went crazey
[ie bailing out banks..
with money lend BY THE BANKS...lol]

anyhow krudd sold the people out
juliar went one step further into debt..[to the money changers]

now the bankers got their deficite[upon the people]
and they got the debt moved onto us

and still get their bonus
and..still hold the gold/silver
they hold IN TRUST*

it reteurns BACK to the people
once we pay off the last promise note..[bill/bond]
till then the money changers will do their vile...[jesus tried to tell ya]

he knew
why dont you?

SM if you are running out of lines give Tony a ring.
Do it soon, after Sunday he is in for the big slide.
Wobbles,take a deep breath!
We understand you are a balanced and informed poster.
Well done Lexi.

Lexi,

I was just winding up wobbles. He is an empty vessel, all he can do is slag off the coalition and cannot provide anything to back this up.

Belly

Although Labor has not the guts to submit the policy to the parliament before the break, they are selectively drip feeding information to the press. In spite of the selective nature, it is becoming clear that this policy has been compromised so much that it is looking far from revenue neutral, and will cost the taxpayer as much as the coalition's direct action plan, on top of the carbon tax.

I am looking forward to the action, and I don't think it will go Juliar's way.

I'm not "an empty vessel" and I don't need to back up the bleeding obvious.

I may criticise the Libs (and that's getting easier) but I am not part of the rabid Labor cheer squad either.

At least I'm prepared to call it as I see it and not through rose-tinted, partisan-driven half-truths.

The only significant difference between the two is marketting plus their ability to capture and control public opinion through a compliant media.

Both sides use bogus "think tank" and "Institute" strategies to back up their policies but only one side has it down to a fine art (and it's not Gillard).

People should realise that if those naughty Independents voted the other way, Abbott would now be granting their wishes too and be facing exactly the same Senate as Gillard is now.

Abbott is said to have told them he "would do anything to be PM" and that would likely have included a Carbon Tax, the NBN, gambling restrictions, a mining tax and all those other things that the Independents wanted.

Nothing will significantly change until there is a double dissolution and that's not about to happen any time soon, no matter how much the LNP try.

Well now,
I am as guilty as the rest of you of slamming politicians for whom I didn't vote., but at the end of the day, we should all (including myself) respect each others choice of who they want to elect and support. That is what our great Democracy is all about, I believe that it is called 'freedom of choice', can you imagine what our Australian world would be like if that freedom was suddenly denied us?
Noisy Scrub Bird

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/senator-wants-five-liberal-colleagues-dumped-over-federal-election-defeat-20110707-1h4uv.html
This thread would have us believe Tiny Tony's team is a group of Angels.
The link reminds us this is far from true.
And that impending revolt is near in the race away from Liberalism toward the American far right brand of Republicanism.
PS
OUG!
you beauty!