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Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 4 July 2011 2:32:56 PM
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I am aware of the arrivals by plane, as far back as 4 years ago we talked about that here and often after.
However My question needed an answer, it seems I will need to give it. As it is clear, more Australian want to stop the boats than not? any disagreement with that? And IF GREENS POLICY is processing here on shore and rarely refusing entry if at all. Is it not clear boats, great numbers more THAN EVER will arrive. I offer this thread, the fact I find myself on the same side as SM! as evidence left of center vote is in real danger in my view Conservatives are the winners. My concerns and total opposition to greens is my right,and shared by far more than the numbers who vote for them. Posted by Belly, Monday, 4 July 2011 3:37:23 PM
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Dear Belly,
I don't get what all the fuss is about concerning the Greens. The Greens having the balance of power in the Senate, at least for now, will mean greater scrutiny of their policies and parliamentary tactics. That's a good thing isn't it? Also many of the Green's policies are far more popular than conservatives like to believe and their party has shown a surprising instinct on certain issues, like Brown's argument that Australian Mining Companies are 83% foreign owned. This will prise votes from the Libs at the next election. Posted by Lexi, Monday, 4 July 2011 3:51:44 PM
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Ammonite,
Gee, you are good at using only info and stats that suit your agenda, is it accidental or deliberate with the aim of deceiving us? Quote you.'RELATED: Dept. Immigration - Monthly Detention Snapshot, May 2009' From 2002-2008 there were 18 boats. 2009-2010 therewere nearly 200 boats. You use outdated information. Quote you'"The majority of onshore asylum seekers actually arrive in Australia by air with a valid visa and then apply for onshore protection through Australia’s humanitarian program at some stage after their arrival," the note, authored by Jane Phillips said -- referring to figures issued by the Department of Immigration'. That was the case when Howard ruled. Since then the number of boat arrivals has increased 20 times, making boat arrivals many times more than ait arrivals. Illegal air arrivals are also sent packing on first flight out. Quote you 'Boat people 'usually genuine refugees' The simple reason for this finding is that we cannot validate who they are, so unable to send them back. Most air arrivals are refused and sent back, as we can verify who they are. Quote you 'Most people in detention visa over-stayers' Not any more, boat people far out number the over-stayers. It really is tiresome correcting your spin and distortions. Posted by Banjo, Monday, 4 July 2011 4:08:13 PM
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http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2781824.html
This bloke would not know me, I however have known him for a very long time. I was a very radical young man when I first found him in a left , now gone newspaper. He has a point here. Posted by Belly, Monday, 4 July 2011 5:27:18 PM
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Lexi, my regards but I need you to under stand this.
Greens live by taking ALP votes not conservative ones. Their policy's repel voters. Until a very few months ago,they drove the ALP with threats they would with draw their support. It must be hard for many, who know only that the greens are CURRENTLY supporting the ALP. But they saw seats in NSW go conservative because they plan to fight the ALP for supremacy. I watched them form,regarded them highly, but trust me they are going to, by fracturing the left of center vote, put conservatives in power. Shadow Minister also knows this ,that is why he loves these threads. Last Lexi my claim,the greens have more enemy's than Friends is now and forever the truth. But sadly they,just by being with Labor turn voters to conservative ones. Posted by Belly, Monday, 4 July 2011 5:37:14 PM
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The article you quote is written in 2011 using figures from early 2009, and was true whilst the pacific solution restricted the number of boats. The story in 2010 or today would be very different. I would suggest that this was deliberate misrepresentation, and if this is the quality of information that the greens use to support their arguments, they are deliberately deceitful.