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Posted by Belly, Sunday, 3 July 2011 12:07:36 PM
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Belly,
I agree with you that at the moment they are not on sides with the unions, rather that if in the future they wish to expand their socialist credentials the unions will logically be their next target. This probably will not be for a number of years. This will require compromising their ideals with reality, and if this happens and the greens start developing realistic policies, it will be a sure sign that a full scale assault on Labor is on the cards. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 3 July 2011 1:49:55 PM
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SM,
I don't understand your reasoning. Why do the Greens need an assault on Labor when they're in Coalition with them and seem to be co-operating quite amicably. In the meantime they will win a few seats from Labor and a few seats from the Liberals. I don't think they much care which party they work with as long as that party favours their point of view. It's better to have an ally than a staunch opponent. And ti seems to me that in order to survive the Greens are learning how to compromise which is something that others can learn from. How many concessions did the Libs have to make in order to appease the Nationals? That's the way of political success. Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 3 July 2011 3:02:16 PM
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http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/06/what-chance-a-double-dissolution-in-the-next-three-years.html
The link is informative, long yes but informative. I do not make my remarks about the greens out of nasty feeling toward them, but real fear. I come from the section of the ALP that pulled pushed and shoved us toward the middle ground. Greens came from our refugees and the very left, indeed only a fool would not know extremists live in the greens. OH yes good folk too, Brown? no longer sure, but he may well be extremist, he in my view is no longer a believable conservationist. Greens, just as the DLP did, ONE Nation nearly did, will cripple the side they sit with. Do not put me in the Gillard fan box, if she won a DD election controlled both houses I would still defame her,by telling the truth. But she MUST take on Brown, has behind the scenes already, he has been told . Changes are coming, we should know things are not the same greens will, almost exclusively vote with Labor. Informed whispers say 3 of Abbott's team will cross the floor to get the carbon tax up. Abbott's stocks will be much lower in 12 months if he lasts. But nothing can restore Gillard. And who of us, with both major party's returning serve, Brown started a war, thinks other than its control in the senate the greens will hold their votes, even less think they can improve. The link tells much I await that poll,will bet my home more dislike/hate even the greens than vote for them. Posted by Belly, Sunday, 3 July 2011 3:35:30 PM
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SM, what you don't realise is that the Greens have always had a much broader political agenda than the MSM and major parties have hitherto generally acknowledged. The environment is only one of four ideological 'pillars' that the Australian Greens share with political Green parties around the world, the others being participatory democracy, peace and nonviolence, and social justice. Indeed, the 'environment' itself only attracts political salience because it is integral to the fourth pillar of ecological sustainability.
While it suited the conservative punditry and major parties to misleadingly dismiss the Greens as a single-issue 'activist' party - indeed, going so far as to conflate deceptively all 'green' activism with the Greens political party - it also suited them to simply ignore the social, economic and cultural policy objectives that have always had equal weight within the Greens since their global inception. Now that steadily increasing electoral support means that the Greens actually have to be taken seriously, it might be fruitful for SM and the other Green detractors to visit the Greens' website and acquaint themselves with actual Greens policies, objectives and structures, instead of regurgitating the garbage they evidently get from the tabloid media and talkback radio. They may also be confounded to learn that, unlike the 'major' parties, the Greens don't necessarily want to form government in their own right. Rather, they want their policies enacted, preferably via a collaborative process whereby a truly democratic and representative government can agree on outcomes to the benefit of everybody, and with which everybody can live sustainably. Many Greens members would recognise that they are not ready as a Party to govern in their own right, and indeed may never be. What is important is not so much who is Prime Minister, but the quality and composition of the government they lead. The Greens support multi-party government, and actually practise it in Tasmania. The Greens aren't the "strangler vine of politics", rather they are still in the process of blossoming! Posted by morganzola, Sunday, 3 July 2011 4:39:05 PM
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Sorry bloke I know the greens policy's.
And too that people like you exist within the party. Good an honest people. But I too know that such as Lee Rianon are there too. That a world controlled by Browns greens would cripple my country. I know too, as unpalatable as it is to you, my quote is quite true. From just within the ALP within the last 18 months, due to your party's extremism, more ALP voters than the 12% who vote for you. Distrust/dislike.will never vote for/ or trust the greens. Add conservatives , know in my view three to one you are in a party out numbered by those who do not want or trust you. And as a green thumb gardener I too understand my party planted the seeds of yours. I understand, fear, am concerned that given current frozen support for Gillard, restoring my party's grass roots support is not going to be easy. But I know too fawning over your party will not be the way. My party's enemy is my enemy currently we are at rock bottom but not for long . Posted by Belly, Sunday, 3 July 2011 5:14:44 PM
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My thoughts on them are shared.
If a poll was taken, not on line, it would be clear no party ever in our history has ever been disliked as much.
However your mate is catching up.
QL you will get no more response.