Yabby,

I shouldnt look in here, I have bigger fish to fry.

This forum is time wasting-- and yet hes silly Gertrude again.
The AWB did sell and yes i was aware of it but i WILL keep the spotlight on the MLA and Australian Government. Just like wesfarmers
sold very quietly in the middle of the Cormo express shame AWB have tried to do likewise.
Maybe they didnt like the cows with guns story or the strippers outside the AWB inquiry- who knows.

http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

As for Indonesia's it started well before this with beefups with USA over Halal accreditation's which resulted in Indonesia telling AU they were cutting back intake of 75%



United States raised a concerns to regarding Indonesia's new
requirement Halal accreditation requirements for producers of food, drugs , cosmetics to obtain distribution licenses .
USA respected the right of Indonesia to regulate Halal in the Indonesian market. ""However,"" to be done in a way that did not disrupt trade.
Halal certification, Indonesia had ""NOT"" provided any notice ..

As for buying from sale yards or NOT- that is if you like the HKM Gertude plan. I came into this for ONE thing only.
To improve Animal Welfare! We will buy direct from farm to plant
Signed deal:
""I wanted Halal accredited farm"s"" for which their paid extra for"" The other Islamic Society is soon up and running- took 5 years.

AFIC imop has been disruptive dysfunctional at times undemocratic did not honour 50% signed office cost agreement among other things.
Gertude personally lobbied Dr Ameer Ali and Dr Hussain to return for years . Dr Ameer Ali was the President of AFIC who singed the Animal Welfare HKM agreement ""not Ikebal."" Its been a long road but now we are on the right track and trust me ALL Australians need this new Society. Educated and not running around causing disunity.
WA plants 500 miles apart- Co-ops of Halal accredited farms- From farm to plant Pre stun Free range& creek fed. Thats the deal.

Ammonite, I understand where you were coming from with your example. The things that you have suggested are possible but take time. I'll leave the sterile calves alone as I dont know where that is up to, but breeding bare-breeched sheep takes significant time. It can take years to change the inherent genetic traits of a flock (my family have been developing their flock genetics for more than 110 years). I applaud the move for change, just get really shirty when dimwits like PETA call for a complete change in 2 years (as it just shows that they dont know anything about a breeding cycle even - obviously cant pay that much attention to animals).

Country Gal

Agree these advances are not overnight - but worthwhile, with genetic engineering the breeding cycle is shortened. About 20 years ago an engineering friend of mine was involved in a project breeding sheep where the wool could be just pulled off at a certain length, I am assuming this bit of tech went nowhere and, between you and me, I'm glad because it would've put shearers out of work, also I suspect grade of the fleece would've been compromised. But that is not the point, we CAN do things better, they are not overnight like some (not all) animal welfare groups would like.

The most important thing is to keep the discussion going, else humans have a tendency to resist change.

Now how about arranging for stun guns and a few good men to go to Indonesia and certain Middle Eastern countries? I think there is enough public awareness to call for donations, maybe something could be arranged through GetUp, maybe the MLA could also help.

Ammonite, LOL, now that would be too sensible a solution. Goodness, nothing for the bleeding hearts to whinge about. Probably takes a few good women though :)

Ah, now we've come full circle. Back to what Belly and I
had suggested in the first place!

Yabby,

There will be no live exports and all animals will be stun. Sure Australia can offer to help with equipment for animals outside Australia. That doesn't mean we send ""our Australian animals ""to their third world countries ALIVE - NO. We cant make them use it!
They hate us you know of course- have for years.
Not to mention the lucky ones are those who die on the death ships.

We were going to go for the ban it within three years but i see now Bobs got it right. BAN IT NOW because you lot just think you can bully your way to continue your evil trade. If we gave you three years you would do nothing & keep asking for more time.

I dont want to see even ONE more animal go on those death ships- not one.!