Belly

I asked a very pertinent question as to the closure of abattoirs - which you are clearly incapable of answering. And you question MY reasoning abilities - you are the one making wild accusations about vegans.

I offered solutions:

Re-open local abattoirs.

Ensure humane conditions for live export animals.

Both suggestions would reduce unnecessary suffering and increase employment opportunities.

Too logical for you.

Ammonite, you did not offer solutions, all you did was show
a lack of understanding of the industry. If you had read my
last post, it anwered your question.

Ammonite please understand I do not dislike you, am a female lover not hater.
I understand some females are much brighter than me.
But gee on this subject you are lost so out of touch and uniformed read yabbys answer
But look again at mine, I have traveled this country supporting other unions and Australian jobs.
Do you know my union the AWU was invited by a National party Lord Mayor,to help fight chicken and Orange juice imports.
Are you aware cattle killing places if profitable, if the product could be sold would be in every town
You throw from the shadows a blind,an uniformed unachievable fantasy and hurl mud at me for shaking my head and walking away.
PS my nightmare is coming my ALP crippled by foolish Gillard has yet again slapped those we need to vote for us , long term in opposition coming.

Belly, the problem now is, the Joe Ludwig, in his efforts to placate
the hysterical housewives and the animal liberation lobby,might
actually be creating far more animal welfare issues then he is aware
of. There are cattle stranded everywhere. In quarantine stations,
in holding yards, in transit, you name it, there are cattle in limbo.
If the cattle on some of those stations don't move, serious overstocking issues will arise for the rest of the herd. They can't
just truck food in, in the North, it is thousands of km from anywhere.

Ludwig needs to sit down with his Indonesian counterpart and come up
with a solution quicksmart. It is not rocketscience to install a few
decentcattle holding crushes and some stun guns. If the Govt stretches this out for 6 months, there will be a disaster in the North.

The Minister for Agriculture's office also bears some responsiblity
for all this, for ultimately MLA are under his durestriction and control. Farmers can pay their levies, many millions a year, but
they can't audit MLA as the Minister can. It seems that MLA were
publishing recipees for Indonesian housewives, but were not getting
the animal welfare side of things in order. Only he can establish that, it is beyond farmers to do so. MLA really acts like a pseudo
Govt dept, with farmers wearing the cost.

Where we have a problem is that the last two Ministers of Ag have lacked agricultural experience, so it takes them a while just to get up to speed on things. Perhaps because of this, they lack the assurance to get in there and ask the hard questions that need to be asked, assuming that these people actually know what they are doing.
That does not seem to be the case.

Yabby all that you said there is true.
You and I understand just what the impacts are, few city dwellers ever can.
Ludwig is good value he was pushed and prodded had no other choice.
Gillard however, a different thing.
Her public statement, based on an ABC tragic blow up of one sentence, manufactured news.
Actually put HER FINGER prints all over a lot of failures in Labors recent policy's.
She in effect took to the victims, producers and looks to me just as any winging house wife does and uninformed to boot.
She just did not know or care, that meat exports Australia meant they had been trying, spending millions to fix this mess.
Now to his credit Katter is upset, while he too miss read the ABCs attempt to channel Murdock media,he knew as we do, meat and livestock should have acted long ago.
Labor is almost certain to be removed from office, Friends and supporters even here will be upset with me saying that.
But too much concern about voters leaving for the greens,and not enought trying to win new ones.
Along with constant white anting from the left and groups like animal welfare are going to get us.
Yabby no self promotion, given the job of fixing this, you and I would wrap it up in a week, Have no doubt it can be done next post shows how.

First we would need to go and see Ludwig and as many government members as we could.
Get them to let all cattle currently sold and in transport in Australia sent, to be killed in those places we approve of.
If he.they did not agree go to all media and the opposition, both party's respond more to media beat ups than voters.
Go to Indonesia, be respectful and say sorry.
Ask for their help, offer to pay, as we are doing in any case , for gear and training.
Get permission for our inspectors to work with them and watch every kill.
Let the trade continue at a reduced tested pace until only licensed killing places can be used.
At the same time find every worker involved in earlier filming.
Find out if cash was paid,by the ABC or White.
Last? unhappy task but needs to be done.
Get that same ABC crew to film any Australian abattoirs at work killing.
So many have never seen a beast die that the act of killing alone gets them up set.
This can be fixed in fact the whole issue is just a bigger one than GOOD UNIONS AND MANAGEMENT FIX together every day.