I wouldn’t say there are many women anywhere that are all sweetness and light Houel.

After spending some of my privileged time overseas where the women can’t call the police or get help anywhere I get really cross at our female victims here. I don’t know how to explain but men change in societies like that, I watched my own start to alter how he looked at women and his attitudes towards his role in the family start to slide in strange directions. I thought it interesting and I was all for assimilating while away but then I knew I could return to my privileged life and my prediction that he would change back proved correct.

Now at the time I also understood I was completely powerless in that society and I became rather submissive. Looking back it was almost like play acting because the feeling of it being temporary was the reality.

The families I met that were raised into the culture – whole other ball game. Women don’t just crumble and cease breathing, they find joy where they can and accept what we would find unbearable. But honest Houel you would not wish their lives on your daughters while if my son went to live there I know he would be just fine.

You know this yeah? You don’t believe it is some kind of feminist propaganda do ya? And I didn’t know you were talking about a Muslim bloke. It was the Jordanian bloke I was heaping sh1t on.

Wee note about money, I met females in the Middle East with wealth I hadn’t even dreamed of before. They shopped, they spoilt me rotten but at the end of the day I’d probably slit my own wrists than live a life where you are next to worthless to your nearest and dearest and your own country.

I don’t get what this “...and the men are really to blame because men 2000 years ago set up some order to society” means.

Belly,
You are right that females are treated poorly, compared to males, in many cultures. There are injustices everywhere.7 million females missing in India is a shocking figure, over what time period? How about this, in the great famine of china an estimated 50million people died and this was between 1958 to 1960. That is fairly recent! Search famine or slavery and more will be found.

But while acknowledging all this we need to focus on our own backyard mainly. I bet Jewely could tell some horror stories and maybe our Susie as well. Do we think that abuse of children only occurs in the NT? I think not. I continue to push for action on FGM because it is barbaric, to think little girls are held down on a kitchen table while pieces of flesh are cut off them. It is beyond my imagination to think of pre-school children being raped and having sexually transmitted disease. Many are constantly hungry and have other infections as well. Mothers pimping their own underage daughters for drug/grog money.

Mate, this is here in Aus, not some remote provence in India or Asia.

I would like to fix the whole bloody thing but the reality is that I can't, so let us see what we can do to improve things right here.

But Banjo you could give 95% of your income so that 1 less kid will suffer, while still surviving yourself. But you don't. I don't think you really care. Any more than me anyway. Talk is cheap.

So Jewels, your thesis is that men are inately evil, even your own bloke, and it's just a benign culture that's stopping him from becoming a wife beater and rapist who treats women like dirt? Nice.

I suppose you're right. I'm sure though, in some parallel universe where women have all the power, their inately nurturing instincts and the fact that women are better people would mean that men would never be oppressed like that.

I agree. Women are better than men, amd all men are a Jordanian culture away from their true inate evilness.

I think I may embrace it. Might as well get my acid ready. Why deny my natural nature.

PS: Pelican I have a bi-polar mental illness.

Now is he lying or not...

Houlley
The only posters who ever go on about 'men's evil nature' seems to be men. Howard Jacobsen did it on Q&A the other night, and it was the women refuting the idea that men are somehow born evil or have a 'wild jungle' going on in their brains.

Men are no more evil than women. For goodness sake stop being a martyr it does not suit you.

The evidence doesn't stack up for you pelican. There is nothing that isn't at least indirectly a mans fault. With the power comes the responsibility. Men hold the power so everything is their fault. The Patriachy. I've heard so much about it, even from yourself.

How about you tell me any societal problem that cant be blamed on men, and see if I can refute it. I bet I'll win every time.

See, aren't women nice nurturers, patronisingly saying 'oh no dear, you aren't evil'. No wonder men like to keep them around since they are so good at that kind of thing.

It stands to reason pelican that the virtuous nice gender would say that.

How can the weaker sex be equal? Does lowering the standards to join the Police Force or other professions make a woman as strong as a man? I doubt it. Face it, men and woman are different. To deny the obvious leads to all sort of delusions. Men are generally the oppressors just like they are also the ones who generally bring freedom. It is natural for woman to give birth and nuture. It is natural for the man to provide for his family. Does that make them equal? Who really cares! Equality is impossible to measure unless you are a female academic being paid to highlight and increase the victim status for women.