'I am more than disappointed that it seems a lessor crime to some if its mum in law harming the wife and not the husband.'

Nobody said it's lesser, I think the point being made was that it's not all mens fault. Women are active too, although pelican gave them an easy out. Well, pelican, women often are the sole parents of murderers. Damn, it's still the father's fault for being 'absent'. Man it's impossible to pin anything on a woman. I think the 11th commandment is woman can do no wrong, and if they do, it's a mans fault somewhere along the line. All those black men in US jails had a rosy life, they are just meat head abusive gender murderers who deserve their lot hey pelican. Oh, they're oppressed by men only I suppose, no white woman is benefitting by keeping them down there. Oh it's a mens system, patriachy, even named after men huh? I'm sick to death of having all the ills of society blamed on my testicles. I didn't do it.

Anyway Hasbeen, sorry to dissappoint. It's not about minding your business, it's about what the hell you can do about it. What does your 'caring' do for you? Does it illicit praise at BBQs? What are you doing about it mate? What's your idea to fix it all? Stop trade? More poverty for that country coming up. Which leads to.... more exploitation of the weakest.

'If we except females are lessor beings we must except man is too.'

Oh that's a given. Not a day goes by we don't hear about the evil gender.

Or the expendable gender. You'd hear even less about it if little boys were being sent off to a life of rape.(Probably because it would be deamed mens fault anyway, and since they're future men they're hardly innocents).

I heard a story the other day about a natural disaster and they thought it fitting to exclaim that x number of women died. WTF is that all about? Did the men deserve it? It was probably their fault somehow.

Belly,
One only has to look at the member countries that are represented on the UNHRC to see what a farce the UN is.

In 3 northern states of India there are 600 'honour' killings a year.

There are still places there where 'child brides' are taken and incest and pedophillia is common.

Acid attack or kerosene burning is way of punishing an unsatisfactory wife or dughter in-law.

The caste system still prevails

We accept immigrants from these cultures.

Look to home first Jewely says, and yes we do not know exactly how many forced marriages occur here each year(estimated 1000) and we turn a blind eye to the genitial mutilation of young girls, for example. Yet we prosecute people that hold cockfights.

I am sure Jewely did not mean to just ignore injustices in other countries, but there is plenty to do here.

What about all the abuse that the 'Little Children are Sacred' report uncovered.

I was talking to this Egyption guy in Cairo once, and I asked him about keeping the chicks indoors and buying them with camels and how I reckoned it was pretty low. The reality of the household is different from the theory it seems.

He reckons that a guy has to come up with so much money to marry a chick, that if the chick gets rid of him there's no way he'll be able to afford to get another bride price together. He has to pay alimony, she gets her dowry list back and he has to pay out his bride price in a lump sum. Some would say not unlike Australian Family Law if you believe old antiseptic.

Apparantly his wife rules the roost and runs everything and is basically a Maggie Thatcher in the home place, and he goes off to avoid the place because he has no power in the home and she threatends to leave him or shame him publicly if he doesn't give her enough money and is constantly hassling him.

He was probably talking sh1t but all these arguments about how women are bought and sold and have no power are pretty one sided. The men don't seem especially happy with this wonderful deal.

Also, there is a constant minimising of the power of the matriach in families, when the hand that rocks the cradle...

There's macho show in all cultures from men, but from observing my mates' parents even in the sexist patriachical 70s and 80s it was generally the mothers that really ran the show. It's easy to pick one side of the equation and say men have the upper hand always but the power of the pussy is not to be underestimated.

The home front, every person's personal sanctuary, is where you really want to have power. Men have just glorified being wage slaves when they really go home and do as the wife says. Even in barbaric misogynist oppressive countries.

Happy wife happy life seems to be the lasting slogan whatever the external 'oppression'.

I could have started, based on evidence, ten threads about men getting the rough end of stick.
But western women, and men are ok in comparison with women from half of the world. Hoolly, long ago stopped thinking of you as just a provocative person, you are aware of my thoughts.
UNHCR or any part of that rubbish organization long ago lost me.
It, if we let and demanded it, could stop this rubbish.
Lets not muddy the water with talk of western issues.
7 million dead female children? if that number is known, just in India,how many is the true figure, add China.
Read that WA newspaper, follow the visit of a woman saving some of these children from sexual slavery.
I believe we need an international charter of human rights that MUST be obeyed.
That women should be of equal value in every country.

Dearest darling Houel if women have all this control then I would like to congratulate them on their restraint and the millions of girls they have sacrificed to Chinese death rooms, physical mutilation in the Congo and of course the young ones they’ve handed to the sex industry worldwide. They seem to have left me out of the conspiracy which is a little hurtful but I’m sure they will let me know if something is expected like sending my sons off to war or sending my daughters on holidays to India or any of the countries that use the acid in your face form of communication when rejected.

I’ve noticed there are some male presidents and military leaders, as well as CEO’s and pimps. By golly times have certainly changed since the good old days of... of... which days was it that the chicks ruled, rocked, and stole all the camels?

Instead of talking to a man from Egypt you should talk to a female from Jordan whose eldest daughter has just turned nine and whose husband is deciding who to marry her off to. You could’ve told this mum all about her personal sanctuary and external oppression. Don’t forget to add that she made her hubby a wage slave and to curse her mother-in-law for her hand on the cradle.

Have you been reading Antiseptics OLO posting history or something?

Well said jewerly and in my view quite true.
It says a great deal about some males and about humanity.
We men, every one of us, can fill books if we want, with insulting remarks about women.
This is about the murder of MILLIONS of girl children.
The daily rape of children in those numbers too.
If we had been talking about the sins of a Church against boys who would blame the boys for not being reactionary enought to stop it.
5 year olds wed forced to have sex.
I am all right its not my concern, just maybe we need to ask what is humanity ?