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Posted by gavroche, Saturday, 30 April 2011 12:25:57 AM
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gave roche..you appear a responsive and capable person
the web site looks very professional..[but for me too good] at first glance...[it feels allmost like a honey trap] when i get such feelings and no real info on the main page http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/04/shadow-of-syrian-conflict-stretching-into-lebanon/ http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/explanation-and-sort-of-apology-for-mocking-jesus-on-israeli-tv/ i dont click anything on the site lest i upload some virus [i know how the mossad shuts down people http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/video/the-zionist-war-on-freedom-of-speech/ who support causes they dont wish supported http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/helen-thomas-will-lead-ny-city-gaza-protest-against-netanyahu-by-rev-ted-pike/ and have no wish to buy yet another computer] see israel are experts with computers http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-lost-data-2011-4 and especially computer virus[read stuxnett] and lets face it this topic is right at their front door same here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogT-DDKHgQ&feature=related the syrian leader is a well known supporter of israel but the worrying thing for me..is the poor content of the vidio this is typical of the stuff israel pretended was comming out of iran [which turned out to be aggetated by only 6 mossad agents..with multiple id's and servers] this issues arnt clear here.. http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/72575 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13221843 http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/us-envoy-libya-death-toll-could-be.html http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/palestinian-unity-if-the-us-congress-is-against-it-then-it-must-be-ok/ [nor there] http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/syria-baath-party-officials-quit-in.html what i can see from the tv/vidio is not a real lot more than poor vidio [that feels deliberatly so]..thus being spun... and back to the honey trap feeling israelie involvement is indisputable http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/israel-rejects-palestinian-unity-deal.html just like with libia and other places http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/features/israel-the-rich-parasite-state/ http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/fear-and-loathing/how-your-tax-dollars-fuel-the-hatred-of-muslims/ http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/04/costs-of-arming-israel-can-no-longer-be-ignored/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwVtVMZabI propaganda is a two edged sword http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/occupied-palestine/zionists-torture-female-palestinian-captives-through-sexual-harassment/ people often arnt who they pretend to be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0&feature=player_embedded http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/israel-can-have-a-peace-partner-with-a-unified-palestine-but-will-palestine-have-one/ Posted by one under god, Saturday, 30 April 2011 1:36:28 AM
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gavroche, OK, now we are getting somewhere.
<<I built the site as a Forum for every opinion >> So, we were right first time, your thread IS about promoting YOUR site. You must have thought we were a load of “bunnies” to fall for this? We call this “spam” however; it’s a bit late to notify GY now so let’s run with what we have. We have established that you have an interest in international Human Rights, that’s good but so do we. That you have built a web site so people can interact, dig into the “think tank of the world” and vote? Good, but we already have access to have thousands of these, including OLO. We have already established that your grasp of history and geo-politics is embarrassing. That you do not support the UNHRC, that the UNHRC is a “masquerade”, you are not an HR activist, you don’t think the UNHRC is “activist” (nobody said they were?). You cannot or will not make any case to support your opposition to the Syrian dictatorship or your views on any of the other dictatorships nominated, you have not nominated any instance in the world over the past 50 years where any of your brand of human rights has had an impact, you want to create a new “international entity” to replace what we already have (but you don’t know what you are trying to replace), you assert that your HR definition is different to mine (but you don’t know what mine is), you know next to nothing about the UN, you polled on your web site to gather opinions? (No gavroche, you polled to get votes of approval), you posted on OLO to gather knowledge? (No gavroche, you cannot gather knowledge, opinion, yes.) And finally, that you don’t even know enough to articulate the problem or to formulate any solutions. Now we know your real intentions, some might be tempted to be honest with you and might suggest that this is I an immature, patronizing, dishonest, emotive, ill informed and dysfunctional load of old rubbish. Go back to school. Posted by spindoc, Sunday, 1 May 2011 9:32:39 AM
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spindocs words..might appear harsh
but please know..they come from the heart few would disagree..with the basic premise you raised..in your first few words all dictators should..be held to account* but its up to their people..to chose those who copped the abuse..to stand up..and say enough sadly the web and media..is full of things DESIGNED to make us angry we hear of kids being kicked..out of incubators and we reject..this..as being fair.. we hear of terorists flying planes into buildings.. then find out it was a lie...and used only as an excuse to make war on someone israel.. or big oil..wants gone...[its the old busche maxim..fool me once etc] war must never be for light..or transient reasons headlines..must never be..to beat the drums of war as i said..in my first posts the contrast between your..perfect site so contrasts..to the grainy shakey footage.. not really showing anything ..but less than twenty people..puting on a show ok there may be some reality..behind it all or there may not be.. if stuff can come out of iran..why cant it come out of syria.. unless israel dont want it to get out israel could put cell-phone..towers on the border catch vidio from well inside..the trouble zone bad pictures means israel wants bad pictures how many..have you got linked..on your site im saying..there isnt anything wrong with spam grayham is more than fair..to all sides..he as well as we know to ask or let questions be asked.. *knowing yet others are watching both the questions..as well as the replies mate..if your cause is sincers dont giveup if syria is to get freespeach it needs..those able to speak to speak freely as well as clearly... giving facts..giving reasons for others..to risk getting involved but..i feel its phsy-op so israel can do other things much like a magition saying..*watch this hand.. while other..worse abuses are going on in the homeland of semites... invaded by wolves wearing sheeps clothing.. [the natzies..pretending to be sheep].. bulding their 4 th reike well knowing the art of artfully..spinning..a lie making a grey issue..appear white as driven snow or black appear white Posted by one under god, Sunday, 1 May 2011 10:04:24 AM
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OUG, your words of wisdom, compassion,
equity and social justice for all, are gold. They mostly provide a sense of balance that many abandon when entering these passionate debates. There is a darker side however, to the posts you construct which hide that side you don’t put front and centre. Sometimes a taste of hidden obsession, other times the outright declaration of a conspiracy. Yes, all dictators should be held to account, by their populations and the gods to whom they appeal. Have we in West helped these poor souls? Or have we offered their dictators comfort and their subjects distractions that have maintained the status quo? Have we reinforced the endless dogma from dictators, that were it not for the West, capitalists, Christianity, the USA, Israel and the will of Allah, we, your leaders, could rid you of all your poverty, pain and suffering? Is the dictator’s message just a lie? An excuse? A distraction? Have their subjects finally seen through these an told their tormentors to go? More to the point, do these poor wretches recognize that which has been perpetrated by their dictators, has similarly been perpetrated by progressive western media, politics and intelligencia? If they now recognize the problematic messages, do they also recognize the sources of comfort and distraction we in the west have presented to their oppressors? Will they recognize this? How will they feel if they do? What will we offer as an excuse for sustaining dictatorships? How much death, maiming and misery might our comfort to dictators and western appeasement have caused? How many lives might we have saved across the planet had we known what we were doing in the name of peace and tranquility? OUG, they say that mimicry is a form of compliment but I can’t replicate your style no matter how hard I try. Posted by spindoc, Sunday, 1 May 2011 11:12:07 AM
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we are all unique..*doc
but where we agree..is where mankind is at its best but as you say..[my darker side]..now cuts in by and large..all our leaders [including those dicktraiters] went to the same exclusive/schools.. the same clubs..going to..the same weddings and pope raisings i make-up..my writing as i go translating my mind's/imagry..into letters/feelings..then words just to write the schools/club..thing well its just luckey..i know what the images mean [often i dont even know..till i re-read..what i wrote] im sure its a form of automatic-typing and thus..often avoid reading it again.. [thus the obvious typo's] the same judges the same polititions we lobby..for change.. are there..only to make sure..change cant ever come really expecting change is just so not going to hapen my writing is often only just to let them know..we know let them know spirit is watching..and ..ready to re-claim..'its own' im just hoping..some of them may be saved..its for them/few..i keep trying a lot have good intentions but soon leave the system when they realise..they too..are helpless its hard to really hate them without somehow hating myself.. for even thinking ill of them were i in their position..its unlikely i could do any better..thats how it really goes but the thing is..this realm is the testing realm its here..we decide to reject..the easy 2 party/line..way we in our lives learn the things good from that not good.. and that is in the end what its all about some feel its entrapment..giving people enough rope but the reality is..some will allways follow.. others knowing this..*need their lackies.,. to abuse..in the next life.. [sadly the lackies put-up..with the abuse] if we..can but wake only one.. thats all the better.. but there will allways be..vile..in this realm for its only..when you been..*in the fire.. do you know*..the fire burns *anything..you put near it and for those..who dont stoke the fire the next reality..is so much more..[better] for this..sorting...the sheep..from the goats we really cant be fooled unless we chose..to be blind its our own*..choice.. wether they chose to 'see'..it..yet or not Posted by one under god, Sunday, 1 May 2011 1:16:04 PM
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no jails
no police force as such"
I believe that if we the people are able to unite to state as a Global majority we will be able to put enough pressure to the ICC for an action against the people responsible for these atrocities. And even if the ICC or the "police as such" as you refer to that doesn't exist, doesn't act. We will still be able to influence their actions and by scrutinising the heads of governments and exposing them as World Criminals if they act like ones, we will have already achieved an enormous step.
Please feel free to address the GiV forum on this subject and get people to vote on it as it is the purpose of the website to let you express your discontent and to propose a progressive approach to the problem.
Regards.
Gavroche.
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