Syria and the King!
Syria is counting the victims. The government of Syria is committing crimes against humanity as described in the Universal declaration of Human Rights. The King must be put under arrest by the International Criminal Court and trialled. Do you subscribe to this Point of View? Should this version be presented as a poll rate this topic and present it as a Poll online for a
global vote.
http://globalivote.org/forums/topic.php?id=24

My Friend I want a much better life for all in this part of the world.
Will sign any place.
But do not forget, ever,every western intervention of any kind, sees hate unleashed against us.

i dont know the facts
i dont trust the media

i dont trust israel..[who got defeated by this same mob]
only a few years ago

it all just seems suss
the media lies
israelies control the media
slaves must want their own freedom
will dropping mutative munitions fix the real problem

will cluster bombs fix things
will assasination help

the mossad could easy be stiring the pot
is it all just a plot

the past should not be forgot
we declare another war
for what

lets end a few
before beginning yet another one

lets try something new

too many kids have died
for what?

a land even god has forgot

gavroche,

Many might find it really offensive when Australians assign activism for international human rights above our own. We have more than enough HR tragedies at home. Can you focus first upon our long term, festering, divisive and utterly disgusting efforts to resolve our Australian aboriginal Human Rights tragedy? Then perhaps we could look at the 100,000 homeless sleeping rough every night, 30,000 of whom are under the age of 30? Then we could perhaps consider some of our own socio-economic victims, then perhaps our mentally ill, aged, disabled and long term unemployed. Then we could address some of the refugee problems on our doorstep in detention centre’s on Australian soil?

I have to wonder where HR activists have been for the past 50 years. Where were they when all these Middle East dictatorships declared totalitarian power through martial law, states of emergency to establish military, religious and benign dictatorships? Where were they when Syria invaded the West Bank in 1948? Or again in 1966? Or gained military and political intervention in Lebanon? Or became the nuclear technology clearance centre for Pakistan and Iran? Or provided funds, technology and weapons to terrorist organisations threatening the West?

Syria has been persecuting, abusing, terrorizing, torturing and murdering its people for 45 years. It is a Baathist based Military Dictatorship. Where on earth have you been?

Where do you stand on Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Kuwait, Sudan, Qatar, the rest of Emirates and Somalia, not to mention most African and South American states?

Is this convenient amnesia? Or is this just staggering ignorance?

When you have cleared some of the festering sores in Australia, you can put some effort into learning something about History. This will give you fact, context and relevance to begin to understand international HR. With that you can then apply some common sense instead of ill informed, misdirected and emotively driven activism

Well I would be very happy if the King of Syria were arrested and democracy installed;

To the point any one country assumes the right to do this to another (override authority and imprison former rulers) is a regrettable (but arguably important) snag in doing this.

gavroche,

sorry I neglected to mention that the last King of Syria, the Hashemite King Faisal, departed in about 1936. Syria was recognized formally as a republic in 1944. The Assad family has run the business since 1970. So if it is the King of Syria you are looking to blame and put under arrest, you’re going to have to dig the poor sod up!

Like I suggested in my response to you, it’s time you learned something about history before shooting from the lip!

WHY spin doc? baffled by your post.
What if our threads author is from that country.
Is it then ok to want support.
I went there and it took no sweat no effort.
Just a click and I had voted.
Only concern for me AFTER is was it safe, did the thread have other intentions.
I act,selectively, on Human rights issues every day.
But to put down, one so awful is to me strange.

Belly, "what if the threads author was from that counry?"

Well, for a start they would not be chasing a long dead King to arrest would they? and they would have known that country was a "republic".

It's time human rights activists started to tidy up their own back yeard before harrassing the neighbours.

Hi Belly,
Was also a bit baffeld by spindoc's reply. However it is democracy and I support positive agitation. Thank you for visiting GlobaliVote. I have no other intention than that of stating on a wide scale the values that are the pillars of all "egalitarian" societies.
It was safe to visit and Vote. Feel free to check the "about us" page and our "Code of Ethics".
http://globalivote.org/about/
Regards.
gavroche

spindoc
Thanks for reminding me of my ignorance. "I know nothing except the fact of my own ignorance"(Our friend Socrates). I am glad I aroused your anger, as I carry my share on my own.
I hope you have visited GlobaliVote.
I wished your vehemence could be redirected to benefit something.
Are you just about criticising people that try to make things move?
How else than by taking the simplest actions can you achieve anything? How else than by stating big and loud the outrages, can you actually put the light on the criminals? And how else than by pointing them out and trialling them, can we stop them?
Tell me if you have a better way, and put it in action as you seem to have a big agenda too.
Without Human Rights activism we would probably be 50 years back in time in terms of Human Rights.
Regards.
Gavroche
http://globalivote.org/

Hi one under God,
Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. (Gandhi)
Gavroche
http://globalivote.org/

Hi King Hazza,
Each man calls barbarism what is not his own practice for indeed it seems
we have no other test of truth and reason that the example and pattern of
the opinions and customs of the country we live in. (Michel de Montaigne).
Gavroche.
http://globalivote.org/

Thank you too our threads author.
I hope you continue to post here.
Sometimes I think back to a visit to Hyde park a Sydney sprookers corner.
Great Wisdom lived along side great silliness anger and happiness doom and gloom mixed shoulder to shoulder.
We can be a little like that.
I have no memory's of it ever being different.
Such plays a big roll in our blindness to just how bad the world has become.
This morning I offer the Donald trump insanity for proof some hold idiot ideas.
He wants to take by force Lybia oil Fields, and to prove Baric Obama is a Muslim not born in America?

gavroche,

<< Without Human Rights activism we would probably be 50 years “back” in time in terms of Human Rights.>>

Almost correct, just take out the word “back” and insert “ahead”.

It is astonishing that you could suggest that the HR movement has had any positive impact upon the peoples of one single oppressive regime anywhere in the world. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Kuwait, Sudan, Qatar, the rest of Emirates and Somalia, not to mention most African and South American states?

Of course you could always point to HR Activist achievements in any of these countries? I’m sure their poor oppressed people would be glad to know of your contribution.

Not only has your movement been asleep at the wheel for the last 50 years, until 2010, your beloved movement, the UN Human Rights Commission, was headed up by non other than Col. Muammar Gaddafi. And you wish to claim some credibility?

There will always be some who will hop onto the link you provided and vote. On the other hand, this is OLO. You asked if we subscribed to your “point of view?” but you offer no reason why we should do this, offer absolutely no case “for” and refuse to debate any issues. So why bother posting?

It is one thing to acknowledge ignorance of a topic however; it is dangerous to act on that ignorance. So rather than adopting the foetal position, how about a response to the questions asked of you? Or did you just post to get votes on “GlobaliVote”?

thank you for clarifying your stance

i have visited your link
and arnt much the wiser

the main heading

''Acting towards a more just and moral world
by raising awareness amongst the world population
of its ability to exchange ideas and record opinions.""

dont offer much[soubnds like propaganda..counter intel
in fact by its very vagueness
implies yet more israelie destractions

http://whatreallyhappened.com/Israel%20and%20the%20Unites%20States%20seek%20to%20undermine%20the%20Arab%20nations%20to%20achieve%20their%20objectives%20in%20the%20occupied%20Palestinian%20territories,%20says%20an%20analyst.

even your spiel
""Syria and the King!
Syria is counting the victims.""

sounds rather vague
[the news reports appear staged]
and as written before
your link dont fill in much

but you continue

""The government of Syria
is committing crimes against humanity
as described in the Universal declaration of Human Rights.""

hells bells
so is israel
who premptivly invaded said state
who has asasinated people within the same state

in fact israel has ben noticed by the un of a very long list of offences against human sensabilities ..let alone their abuse of the native semites in the land they took by force...and still premptivly despoil and interfere with
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25035&p=159550#p159550

in short the shortness of substance
makes this look like a mossad op
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/middle-east-peace-process-set-for-new.html
but lets get back to your first post

''The King must be put under arrest
by the International Criminal Court and trialled.""

you as a learned mossad opperative
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379008/A-deep-rooted-hatred-British-How-Israelis-armed-junta-Falklands-conflict.html#ixzz1KT9BZNL9

must know the world court is litle more than nothing
no jails
no police force as such

in short a paper tiger*

why arnt you appealing to the un
or to nato..

or using the mossad contacts
to the usa political lobby?
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/who-directs-our-mideast-policies.html

why do you not make a better
more clear case?
http://www.coolcrack.com/2010/07/what-goes-around-comes-around.html
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/04/third-palestinian-intifada-all-arabs-to-march-on-israel-on-may-15th/

you just want numbers
with stess on the numb...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UntixeRiEK8&feature=player_embedded
a destaction

""Do you subscribe to this Point of View?""

try making your case more clearly
your explaining..nothing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxdaHM7rgag&feature=channel_video_title

it seems its more a puff piece
or destaction from the flotilla
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/coming-to-israel-soon-a-new-turkish-flotilla-and-duran-duran/

http://profilesinevil.blogspot.com/2011/04/orders-from-hell-western-zio-ogre.html
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/sights-and-sounds-in-palestine-this-week/
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/04/satisfying-the-zionists-obamas-first-priority/
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/04/israeli-policemen-beat-palestinian-christians-on-their-way-to-church/
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?p181p194&1
http://100777.com/node/463
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14702
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/iran-dismisses-us-allegations-about.html

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176723.html
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176735.html

Hi Spindoc,
Haven't had a chance to get back to you earlier.
I realise that my definition of Human Rights Activism differs greatly from yours. I do not consider the UN Human Rights Commission to be activism at all, I would even describe it as DE-ACTIVISM. I refer to activism as an entity (ex. Amnesty International) or an individual (Civil Rights activist ML King or HR activists Gandhi or Mandela ). I have no affinities with any of the UN endeavours as I believe that their agenda is a masquerade established to suit the interests of the Permanent five while appearing to honour its constitution.

When you write, "but you offer no reason why we should do this, offer absolutely no case “for”", I feel a bit surprised as I built the site as a Forum for every opinion, as I, and others as I can gather, can maybe exchange our opinions but lack the opportunity to express or formulate a poll that everyone can vote on.
I have no interest in following or subscribing to the interest of the UN but rather digging into the THINK TANK of the world to find people like you with a good understanding of the international scenery who can analyse the situation , describe it clearly and propose solutions to these problems. Because these people (like you) will not be influenced or driven by monetary interests, but by their concern for others.

More to follow.
Gavroche

You write also "and refuse to debate any issues. So why bother posting?".
I am opened to debate any issues, and more than anything, gather knowledge and advice from others, but I want to discuss in a progressive manner, in order to find solutions.
I believe it is possible to create a international entity capable to launch a case at the International Criminal Court.
You might already know more on this subject and if you do let me know.

As to "how about a response to the questions asked of you?", I do not understand your question. What do you mean I do not get it.

And "Or did you just post to get votes on “GlobaliVote”?" I didn't put a poll on this subject by I posted to gather opinions on what people believed could be a solution to this crisis as I felt once more like a witness unable to act in anyway after watching the video of a scene in Damascus where a father was carrying his 6 year old boy killed by Syrian Government forces.
No I didn't just post to get votes on GlobaliVote, but yes I posted to know if others would help me find a way to help these oppressed people.
I hope these few words will give you an insight of what my intentions are.
Regards.
Gavroche

Hi One under God,
Thanks for visiting and giving me your feed back.
I will try to clarify a few things.

The first sentence is what I thought would describe the purpose of the website, in a short condensed sentence. Might sounds a bit like an advertisement but I don't feel like it is propaganda.
The post was gather some opinion on this subject, it was to me one of the day because I witnessed some disturbing footage and I am concerned.
Re: "hells bells
so is israel
who premptivly invaded said state
who has asasinated people within the same state

in fact israel has ben noticed by the un of a very long list of offences against human sensabilities ..let alone their abuse of the native semites in the land they took by force...and still premptivly despoil and interfere with"

I do not support the exactions of the government of Israel and I am not of the Mossad intelligentsia.
I am actually disgusted by the stance of the International community in regards to the Israeli aggressions since 1967.
I haven't propose a poll on GiV in regards to the situation in Palestine because I am for the moment trying to refine the website.
However I am happy to vote on a poll if you come up with one on the forum and I will put it on the vote now page, if you can make a description of the situation and propose a solution on which people can vote on by "yes or no".

More to follow.
Gavroche

Re: "must know the world court is more than nothing
no jails
no police force as such"

I believe that if we the people are able to unite to state as a Global majority we will be able to put enough pressure to the ICC for an action against the people responsible for these atrocities. And even if the ICC or the "police as such" as you refer to that doesn't exist, doesn't act. We will still be able to influence their actions and by scrutinising the heads of governments and exposing them as World Criminals if they act like ones, we will have already achieved an enormous step.
Please feel free to address the GiV forum on this subject and get people to vote on it as it is the purpose of the website to let you express your discontent and to propose a progressive approach to the problem.
Regards.
Gavroche.
http://www.globalivote.org

gave roche..you appear a responsive and capable person
the web site looks very professional..[but for me too good]
at first glance...[it feels allmost like a honey trap]

when i get such feelings
and no real info on the main page
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/04/shadow-of-syrian-conflict-stretching-into-lebanon/

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/explanation-and-sort-of-apology-for-mocking-jesus-on-israeli-tv/

i dont click anything on the site lest i upload some virus
[i know how the mossad shuts down people
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/video/the-zionist-war-on-freedom-of-speech/

who support causes they dont wish supported
http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/helen-thomas-will-lead-ny-city-gaza-protest-against-netanyahu-by-rev-ted-pike/
and have no wish to buy yet another computer]

see israel are experts with computers
http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-lost-data-2011-4
and especially computer virus[read stuxnett]

and lets face it this topic is right at their front door
same here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogT-DDKHgQ&feature=related

the syrian leader is a well known supporter of israel
but the worrying thing for me..is the poor content of the vidio
this is typical of the stuff israel pretended was comming out of iran

[which turned out to be aggetated
by only 6 mossad agents..with multiple id's and servers]

this issues arnt clear here..
http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/72575
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13221843
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/us-envoy-libya-death-toll-could-be.html
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/palestinian-unity-if-the-us-congress-is-against-it-then-it-must-be-ok/
[nor there]
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/syria-baath-party-officials-quit-in.html

what i can see from the tv/vidio
is not a real lot more than poor vidio
[that feels deliberatly so]..thus being spun...

and back to the honey trap feeling
israelie involvement is indisputable
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/israel-rejects-palestinian-unity-deal.html
just like with libia

and other places
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/features/israel-the-rich-parasite-state/
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/fear-and-loathing/how-your-tax-dollars-fuel-the-hatred-of-muslims/
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/04/costs-of-arming-israel-can-no-longer-be-ignored/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwVtVMZabI

propaganda is a two edged sword
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/occupied-palestine/zionists-torture-female-palestinian-captives-through-sexual-harassment/
people often arnt who they pretend to be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0&feature=player_embedded

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/israel-can-have-a-peace-partner-with-a-unified-palestine-but-will-palestine-have-one/

gavroche, OK, now we are getting somewhere.

<<I built the site as a Forum for every opinion >>

So, we were right first time, your thread IS about promoting YOUR site. You must have thought we were a load of “bunnies” to fall for this? We call this “spam” however; it’s a bit late to notify GY now so let’s run with what we have.

We have established that you have an interest in international Human Rights, that’s good but so do we.

That you have built a web site so people can interact, dig into the “think tank of the world” and vote? Good, but we already have access to have thousands of these, including OLO.

We have already established that your grasp of history and geo-politics is embarrassing.

That you do not support the UNHRC, that the UNHRC is a “masquerade”, you are not an HR activist, you don’t think the UNHRC is “activist” (nobody said they were?). You cannot or will not make any case to support your opposition to the Syrian dictatorship or your views on any of the other dictatorships nominated, you have not nominated any instance in the world over the past 50 years where any of your brand of human rights has had an impact, you want to create a new “international entity” to replace what we already have (but you don’t know what you are trying to replace), you assert that your HR definition is different to mine (but you don’t know what mine is), you know next to nothing about the UN, you polled on your web site to gather opinions? (No gavroche, you polled to get votes of approval), you posted on OLO to gather knowledge? (No gavroche, you cannot gather knowledge, opinion, yes.) And finally, that you don’t even know enough to articulate the problem or to formulate any solutions.

Now we know your real intentions, some might be tempted to be honest with you and might suggest that this is I an immature, patronizing, dishonest, emotive, ill informed and dysfunctional load of old rubbish. Go back to school.

spindocs words..might appear harsh
but please know..they come from the heart

few would disagree..with the basic premise
you raised..in your first few words

all dictators
should..be held to account*

but its up to their people..to chose
those who copped the abuse..to stand up..and say enough

sadly the web and media..is full of things
DESIGNED to make us angry

we hear of kids being kicked..out of incubators
and we reject..this..as being fair..

we hear of terorists
flying planes into buildings..
then find out it was a lie...and used
only as an excuse to make war on someone israel..
or big oil..wants gone...[its the old busche maxim..fool me once etc]

war must never be for light..or transient reasons
headlines..must never be..to beat the drums of war

as i said..in my first posts
the contrast between your..perfect site
so contrasts..to the grainy shakey footage..

not really showing anything
..but less than twenty people..puting on a show

ok there may be some reality..behind it all
or there may not be..

if stuff can come out of iran..why cant it come out of syria..
unless israel dont want it to get out

israel could put cell-phone..towers on the border
catch vidio from well inside..the trouble zone

bad pictures means israel wants bad pictures
how many..have you got linked..on your site

im saying..there isnt anything wrong with spam
grayham is more than fair..to all sides..he as well as we
know to ask or let questions be asked..
*knowing yet others are watching
both the questions..as well as the replies

mate..if your cause is sincers
dont giveup

if syria is to get freespeach
it needs..those able to speak to speak freely
as well as clearly...

giving facts..giving reasons
for others..to risk getting involved

but..i feel its phsy-op
so israel can do other things
much like a magition saying..*watch this hand..

while other..worse abuses are going on
in the homeland of semites...

invaded by wolves
wearing sheeps clothing..
[the natzies..pretending to be sheep]..
bulding their 4 th reike

well knowing the art
of artfully..spinning..a lie
making a grey issue..appear white as driven snow

or black appear white

OUG, your words of wisdom, compassion,
equity and social justice for all, are gold.

They mostly provide a sense of balance that
many abandon when entering these passionate debates.

There is a darker side however, to the posts you construct
which hide that side you don’t put front and centre.

Sometimes a taste of hidden obsession, other times
the outright declaration of a conspiracy.

Yes, all dictators should be held to account, by their
populations and the gods to whom they appeal.

Have we in West helped these poor souls? Or have we
offered their dictators comfort and their subjects distractions that
have maintained the status quo?

Have we reinforced the endless dogma from dictators, that were it not
for the West, capitalists, Christianity, the USA, Israel and the will of Allah,
we, your leaders, could rid you of all your poverty, pain and suffering?

Is the dictator’s message just a lie? An excuse? A distraction? Have their subjects
finally seen through these an told their tormentors to go?

More to the point, do these poor wretches recognize that which has been
perpetrated by their dictators, has similarly been perpetrated by progressive western media, politics and intelligencia?

If they now recognize the problematic messages, do they also recognize the sources
of comfort and distraction we in the west have presented to their oppressors?

Will they recognize this? How will they feel if they do?
What will we offer as an excuse for sustaining dictatorships?

How much death, maiming and misery might our comfort
to dictators and western appeasement have caused?

How many lives might we have saved across the planet
had we known what we were doing in the name of peace and tranquility?

OUG, they say that mimicry is a form of compliment but I can’t replicate your style no matter how hard I try.

we are all unique..*doc
but where we agree..is where mankind is at its best

but as you say..[my darker side]..now cuts in

by and large..all our leaders
[including those dicktraiters]

went to the same exclusive/schools..
the same clubs..going to..the same
weddings and pope raisings

i make-up..my writing as i go
translating my mind's/imagry..into
letters/feelings..then words

just to write the schools/club..thing
well its just luckey..i know what the images mean

[often i dont even know..till i re-read..what i wrote]
im sure its a form of automatic-typing

and thus..often avoid reading it again..
[thus the obvious typo's]

the same judges
the same polititions
we lobby..for change..
are there..only to make sure..change cant ever come

really expecting change
is just so not going to hapen

my writing is often
only just to let them know..we know
let them know spirit is watching..and
..ready to re-claim..'its own'

im just hoping..some of them
may be saved..its for them/few..i keep trying

a lot have good intentions
but soon leave the system when they realise..they too..are helpless

its hard to really hate them
without somehow hating myself..

for even thinking ill of them
were i in their position..its
unlikely i could do any better..thats how it really goes

but the thing is..this realm is the testing realm
its here..we decide to reject..the easy 2 party/line..way

we in our lives learn the things
good from that not good..

and that is in the end
what its all about

some feel its entrapment..giving people enough rope
but the reality is..some will allways follow..
others knowing this..*need their lackies.,.
to abuse..in the next life..

[sadly the lackies put-up..with the abuse]
if we..can but wake
only one..

thats all the better..

but there will allways be..vile..in this realm
for its only..when you been..*in the fire..
do you know*..the fire burns
*anything..you put near it

and for those..who dont stoke the fire
the next reality..is so much more..[better]
for this..sorting...the sheep..from the goats

we really cant be fooled
unless we chose..to be blind
its our own*..choice..

wether they chose to 'see'..it..yet
or not

OUG, a question for you.

Without invoking your darker side (too much anyway) and for those who indeed have been in the “fire” under despotic dictatorships. What role or level of culpability can be sheeted to those in our western societies that have provided support for dictatorships?

I’m simple folk, so type slowly as I don’t read too fast!

its a deliberated..compounded systematic problem
see how there is..'plausable deney-ability'
when govts change..

[ie the 'new govt
needs to ask the public/sevice]
but if they..*dont specificlly 'ask'..

think of yes minester..

[that show gets..as close to the truth
as we commoners..are likely to get]

see how deals..were made during the wars
many are comming slowly..into the light

things like the belfore/letter
or even things like freetrade zones
even such things as tax ruling agreement's

its such a deliberte mess..few can figure things out
thats how clever it gets

think of it like*..criminals doing plea 'deals'
that remain secret,..or under suppression orders
and secrecy agrements...or under time limitations..*by parlement order

it covers so much..like one pres
might form a self funding task group

that keeps going autonimously..in secret till
that one chance discovery..when someone dies/looks..or retires

hard to be specfic..because specifics
is the very thing kept on a need to know basis...
if no one tells the new govt ..f their duty or rights to ask..simply speaking..it wont get asked

break down the question into its bits
this is often where..the black arts come in

''What role or level""
the level is usually..on the most highest levels
this scares off casual inquiry

the role is usually hiden..under a title
contact/contract..or code word or govt dept...only vaguely relivant to the dept..one would normally seek..to get answer from

''the level of culpability''
usually is limited..to a very limited cliche

''culpability..to..western societies
that have provided support for dictatorships?''

is virtually 100 percent
lets face it it would be only too easy
to knock off any dicktraiter...

but..many of those
that would be tasked to act..
are the very ones setting these dicktraiters up..in business..or banking their spoil

[usually..to serve colluding
special business
industy...or resource
or wage exploitation

or simply..'strategic location']

one need only think of..the drug supply pipelines
and the money/laubnderin..assosiated with this *franchise

or the number of..'navel bases',,all round the globe
each with its own intel groups..and business connections

mossad specialises..in infiltarating
every new group
be they criminal/business/protest/political..

with..*every new group
they/are..the first..
to offer to 'help'...

and..they are in..
till it disolves

so let me presume for now..that you asked
how to 'fix things'

first lets all comprehend..that 'christ returns 2012'
that under his authority...the world comes together

to wit one world govt..ruled over from heaven
serving the rest of us..[all children of the one good..[god]

then all govts will bow before gods will

so how will this world look

first the average person will get the benifit of average wage
except this wage will be as credit

now as we currently know..credit is strict
there are those..'in credit'...and in honour
then there are those in credit and dishonour[dicktraiters]

then there are those with debt..but in honour
and those in debt..with dishonour

it gets further complicated at present
in that the term person..includes real people
as well as fictional/dead..[corperations],..accorded 'person' status

ie companies..able to assume debt/credit..
in honour and dishonour

so we destinguish..the sheep from the goats
the so called average wage..becomes the maximum wage
the minimum wage gets doubled..

real persons have an average income..
average credit availability

and if in honour..recierve aditional credits/honoyurs
..if in dishonour restricted credit..and diss honours

the same applies globally
[as predicted in the bible]
these people of god..declare

we are all commumist/buddist
and adopting idealised declared
buddist capitalist and commie principles

ie corperate personhood..[corperations]
was at the perogative..of govts
govts asume their debts..[if they are in dishonour]..

or in debt
[till its income stream..clears the debt]

[the current money system is broke
has been for decaides]

its only by slight of hand
that notes are 'money'
the truth is most money
is actually debt

the debt..[all debt..
is declared ursury[intrest free]
honour's record debt owed/..or being debt free

we have several 'classes of people/persons'
those who currently are in honour and credit surplus
have their privledges preserved..as well as credit availment

[except none
can recieve any higher wage renumeration
than the current average wage]

just as those currently on minimum wage
cannot recieve less than double minimum wage..

those on pension dole or govt grant/deed gift
will be asured the minimum wage equivelent

those in hounour credit wise
will be accorded perivledges of standing[extra credits]

the lords christ..shall be voted
by democratic principles...possably from the 'royal paple liniage'
for now lets accord this honourum..to the last born 'royal'
in good honourum..good standing...debt free
and prepared to serve gods creation..
not kill it or ripp it off

the dictaitors..oppressors..those in dishonour
recieve dimminishment of standing..

as well loose acces to their plunder..
[they are declared persona non grata...
yet will still recieve the minimum wage...
mimimum privledge but also mimimum credit availment

[the equive-lent.of 3 meals a day
a bed at night..food clothing of the fast food type..
.and be accorded the standing of gipsy/or vagabond]
untill acceopted into a society..in good standing

anyhow its not for any to say this
only for a concensus..of fair honest and true man voters

for the joined papalcy..to present the option to its people..based on a rewrite of the ten commands..princioples..rather than moralistic licence

anyhow...compuer acting funny

how come this discussion is silent
[im sick of waiting for resoponses..by mail]
decided to just visit the topics that are relivant to these times

and post a simple message
as the thread goes quiet
and those needing 'quiet'..to do their vile
think we are destracted...

[specifily google for this govt report]
released during the royal wedding
hidden under the pr-spin/hype

setlement outcomes
of new arrivals..

its shocking...!
thus the tough cure
..posted earlier

""Truth integrity and reality has little value for some""

the TRUTH?
people cant handle the truth
and dont even bother reading that..those who do have.

who knows truth from not true

SYRIA: Who is Behind The Protest Movement?
Fabricating a Pretext for a US-NATO “Humanitarian Intervention”
By: Elias

There is evidence of gross media manipulation and falsification from the outset of the protest movement in southern Syria on March 17th.

An armed insurrection integrated by Islamists
and supported covertly by Western israelie..intelligence
is central to an understanding of what is occurring..on the ground.

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/05/syria-who-is-behind-the-protest-movement-fabricating-a-pretext-for-a-us-nato-humanitarian-intervention/

Hi OneUnderGod,
Thank you for your research on The Syria subject.
I will have to put my head around the article of Chossudowsky, it is definitely a chewy one.
I am sorry for not responding earlier. The posts I received on this topic appeared to me to be mostly discussions on information sources that seem to turn into slander. I regret not to be able to see a progressive approach by most threads authors. I do not want to act as a politician barking out my opinion like the 3 year old minded people filling the benches of the parliament houses around the world.
However if we come back to this subject, I believe and tell me if I am wrong that whoever is the stirring the situation, Israel or the rebels in the riots, there is still room for responsibility for the actions committed in streets of Syria.
In order to progress in our discussions isn't important to "State" that the one rule we must agree on is that Violence, is ruled out.
What do you think?
Regards.
François Crespel dit Gavroche

good to hear from you...gave-roche[hell]
but lets fix this syria issue..before making jokes

you wrote/quote..""The posts I received on this topic appeared to me to be mostly discussions...""

yes thats the problem when tyrants remove the right of freedom od info...[co intell swamps the blogs]..its like trying to head off a suenamie

diss-cuss-ions...""on information sources
that seem to turn into slander.""

when people are dying[or worse being genocided or murderd]
slander is as if nothing...[he who thinks to the last wins]

""I regret not to be able to see
a progressive approach by most threads authors.""'

this very reason is why i settled here
here honesty stands uop against opinion and spin
sadly it cant yet sort the spin..from the pr blurb
but lets us make up our own mibnds

all we basiclly got here is opinion

""I do not want to act as a politician
barking out my opinion like the 3 year old minded people""

i hear you
but recall the goals of govt has become subverted
away friom civil duties ...and priotecting its people[AND THEIR ESTATES]..to exploiting them and holding them down...deliberatly trying to impoverish..and break their very spirit

turning its common weal
into deligerated serfdom

[slavery..where the sl;ave assumes full liability
under oppressive regemes..run by international cartels/bankers and lawyers...[only used to dealing with criminals

""I believe..that whoever is the stirring the situation,
Israel or the rebels in the riots,..there is still room for responsibility..for the actions committed in streets of Syria.""'

yes we could hope dicktraiters coiuld be held to account
but sadly that only happens after they die..[in hell],,

the hell their oppressions earned

""In order to progress in our discussions
isn't it important..to "State"

that the one rule we must agree on
is that Violence, is ruled out.
What do you think?"""

you are sio correct/mate

the first to violence
has the weakest excuse
thus least worthy of rule..

let alone over=rule..by ongoing overwelming...indiscretion
those with muder in their heart..do only injustice
true good needs no murder