Well said Belly, great quote.

Belly my gems of meaning are rushing by you daily.Only a drowning fool clutches at twigs.You need something more substancial in your intellectual diet Belly than snippets from the tree of wisdom.You need to look at the whole tree ie who is nourishing it and who is pilfering that nourishment leaving the masses with almost nothing in knowledge or real wealth.

They are robbing you blind Belly and you can't work out how.

Arjay,

You can't even work out who THEY are, let alone coherently make a case for their existence. Your stock in trade of regurgitating paranoic fantasies propounded by the pseudo-intellectual conspiracy nuts and sometimes the flat out metally ill.

Stevenlmeyer,

It has long been an accepted tenant of warfare that combatants don't get criminal trials. Whether Guanatano has been an intelligence coup or not is irrelevant. We know for a FACT, that people released from Guanatanamo have gone on to become involved in terrorism in Iraq, and Aghanistan. Why would the US close it? Where is the benefit?

Why would Israel nuke middle eastern oilfields? Israel might strike first to destroy its enemies, but not the global economy.

I think you've confused Israel with Iran, which might just nuke Saudi oilfields, which would have the dual result of critically damaging its sunni enemey, and plunging the economies of the west into depression. Win Win.

PaulL,Western economies have put themselves into depression.The US Federal Reserve(the private banksters) are the instigators of the GFC and are perpetuating our demise.How is it they are making trillions upon the collapse of Western economies? They are stealing from us the people.

The whole GFC scam was totally orchestrated just like the Great Depression.Humans constantly scheme and plan for greed and advantage.The elites have all the time and money on the planet to manipulate circumstances to their own advantage.Just study history.

PaulL

My comment was entirely about the quality of the "intelligence" gathered at Guantanamo. Not about the morality, or otherwise, of imprisoning captives there.

So far as Israel is concerned, my remark envisaged a situation in which it's back was to the wall, where it either had to nuke its enemies or go down. Having one third of the world's oil pumping capacity as your hostage does tend to focus people's minds.

In fact I suspect that one reason the USA always keeps Israel well armed with conventional weapons is because they are afraid of what might happen if Israel ever did feel cornered. They can do the maths as well, if not better, than I can. This is certainly the view expressed in a paper on the website of the USAF air force university.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

Quote:

>>Peres also credits Dimona with bringing Anwar Sadat to Jerusalem to make peace.75 This position was seemingly confirmed by Sadat in a private conversation with Israeli Defense Minister Ezer Weizman.>>

I think Israel may have been the first country to demonstrate that nuclear blackmail can be effective.

Does anyone truly believe that Israel would "go gentle into that good night" to quote one of my favourite poets?

steven/quote..""Does anyone truly believe that Israel would "go gentle into that good night""

i would hope they arnt that dumb
considering the worlds intelligensa and media
much of the worlds production and supply..is under their control

ending this world..[the only realm they control]
would be extreemly dumb...of course there is no 'good night'

[with the exception of the dark hells..
the contradiction with 'good'..is thus laughable]

anyhow the dumbnes of our leaders is hardly an origonal ovservation

im still of the opinion ..this whole topic is a destraction
but as our lords and masters would be well aware of its progression

im simply taking the oppertuinity
to sort the sane amoung them from the crazey

the insanity of war
contrasts strongly against the fruits of peace
any proffiteering from the qwar industry..
is nothing compared to the fruits of peace

especialy so for the state of israel
but there is none so blind as those who chose to live in fear

the claim to be gods people is clearly a sign of insanity
as much as the mess-ages of the prophet[peace be to him too]

clearly much of the torah...and the koran
[thus so to the [lol] holy bible..
comes direct from the jinn..in the dark regons

but not to cast slurs upon them
or those who recorded their mess-age
there are many wise ammoung those chosing to dwell in hell

clearly god made life
death cannot serve the life giver
even the semite[jesus]..the so called peace maker
gives a clue to the true good mercyfull nature of the one good[god]

to not speak of his title honourum
is not the same as not mentioning his name
those who glory in life./love/light..truelly 'get' the greatness of him

those who glory in death destruction..sacrifice..vile./.war
are far from him...let there be light[to sustyain life]..is a phrase that reflects his love of all light sustains and reveals into being

...and a refuting of the very concepts
of this..

dark
good
night..

let there be light
love is all we need
to know good..is..[god]

goodbye

i promise grayham
no one will nuke anyone*