No its not Morganzola, and thanks for picking up on that.

Truth is, I am in an older age group, with fewer alternatives than accepting the lot I have.
Moving is not the easy, nor is re-invention. Not in my eyes , but in the eyes of those whom might employ me.

But I do look forward to offering my natural and my acquired skills to my community later in life, if I can afford too.
Hope your having a useful and productive time in retirement Morganzola.

Personally I would retire straight away if I could , just so I could get on with the things that I am actually best, at.

That horizon is disappearing into the distance. This is the primary driver for my original post, not our individual situation.
Surely this is happening to most people isn't it ?. No one actually know's, because no one is policing rights, a regulatory desert slanted,
in the direction of the powerful at best.

The result being, declining living standards for most people.

We think much a like pelican you and I and I have to remember my words shouldn't be used to take aim at my life's work.
For a great many years,first in 1961 I was union delegate.
I knocked back the chance to become an official, twice.
Thinking I was not good enough, it proved to be wrong,in comparison to some I was a star.
I love the AWU,never was an Iron worker just AWU will be till death proudly.
Too many ex officials work now[ not AWU all unions]for bosses or labor hire firms.
too many find ways to use the job for personal gain, a few took bribes.
My AWU started the ALP has great history within the party.
My mates/members would be better for it if we cut ties FOR EVER with all party's, front benches in EVERY ALP government have done it to us.
Union power should only be in the best hands AND NEVER USED FOR OTHER THAN MEMBERS INTEREST'S.
I ran headlong in to an ego, as fixed on self and blind to members as I ever saw.
if that had not taken place I would have been glad to die one day on the road from one meeting to another driving a old Ute or car,no free lunch's.
But I lived the unionists dream, had the chance to tell a bad boss to take his job and well we know the rest.
I must have done something right, never had the good by party but even today my phone will ring ,a mate for life from my old members will ring I value them still.
unions must remember why we exist it never will be to dump failure from he movement in to Parliament to fail there too.

I must apologise to all who posted to this post by pointing out that I was mistaken about $8-9 dollars an hour . It should have read $8-9 dollars a week.

Makes it even more reprehensible and economically damaging when combined with inflation caused by energy and fuel prices rising at alarming rates by the weakening of Trade Practice's laws in this country and disadvantageous Workplace laws (as evidenced above) still in practice.

Tony Abbott points at the carbon tax and says, look at the added pressure on peoples living costs. But of course the real inflationary pressure is coming from the lawless consumer environment created by ideologues not dissimilar to Abbott himself, resulting in privatised utilities and essential energy suppliers charging what they like, in a free for all.

Also and including the current Gov't, I repeat my assertion, that no one is policing this area.

If I were to consider my own employment prospects; they would be limited in future, by how much I can afford to pay for fuel for my vehicle, and the fact that there is no pay rise on the horizon to compensate for the rise in my costs.

Conversely my employer whom might think, he is on a good wicket by being in a position to control or limit my income, may have to be content with "someone who can afford to work there" as opposed, to the best or most productive person for the job.

With or without a union, this is economic lunacy that will result in the economy eventually descending into an irretrievable class war, or belittling matey matey system, if it hasn't or isn't already.

>>There's a guy on another thread who's complaining about having to pay penalty rates in his retail business on weekends and public holidays, and I thought that this was the norm in retail.

Now that's a bit of a 'cheap shot'. Mongz

I am not complaining about having to pay PR, more so that I am not entitled to charge the customer for my out of pocket expenses generated from public holidays.

May I suggest you get your facts right.

Now T2, you are going to have to provide more info.

Yourself in retail.

Firstly, are you on salary?

Now even if you are your salary must pass the no disadvantage test, so, if you work Easter sat for no pay, then you would have already been paid for it along the way.

BTW, you are also working in an industry that is close to being on its knees, unless you work for the big two.

I would suggest you be grateful for the fact you have a job, however, according to madam PM, there are jobs everywhere, so your options are plentiful. (apparently!)

I just read your last post>>Conversely my employer whom might think, he is on a good wicket by being in a position to control or limit my income, may have to be content with "someone who can afford to work there" as opposed, to the best or most productive person for the job.

Now there's the catch.

As a retailer, the last thing I would do is under pay my best workers as they are very hard to find and even harder to keep as they are constantly poached from you.

Are you a good worker, or do you just think you are?

Now if you are then I suggest you call the bosses bluff.

He/she will not let a good worker go for the sake of a few bucks.

On the contrary Rehctub, I have let them know. But they would not act unless I vote with my feet. The only way too do this is to have another position organised prior to negotiation.

Because they can, they may act out of spite and let you go if you insist upon pay adjustments to compensate for rising costs or inflation.

Promises made during the original negotiation referred to reviews re salary and company cars etc. These reviews never come for anyone unless they have done as I suggest.

Rather than play a game of truth or dare with my employer Rehctub, I would rather have a relationship based on communication, mutual loyalty and mutual respect etc.

This type of thinking such as the "if your any good routine" that that you extol in your post Rehctub, displays the natural superiority that you assume, just because your the employer.

Fact is some people are smarter, more talented, intelligent than you are Rehctub even though they don't own a business. Their priorities extend beyond the accrual of personal wealth or power and the problem for employers is keeping them interested.

Even the priorities of business itself and it's value to society as a cornerstone is massively overblown.

Thanks Rechtub your uninformed comments in that last post made me chuckle.
But I agree in this case you do not appear to be debating penalty rates
Now thinker 2, two tests, in fact three are to be passed.
Most importantly the one that rules is will the office of fair work Australia even glance at your agreement.
60/40 CHANCE 60 AGAINST UNLESS.
b.o.o.t. test, Better off Over all.
If rights are taken away, you must pass BOOTS TEST.
So as a single. or even multiple employee you should do this.
notify FWA you feel isolated and threatened.
Arrange for them to see the law is applied, that you have the document long before it is signed of on.
Tell FWA you demand not to be named.
A good and honest boss would fix it you and I know some are not so good.
I am prepared to offer you any advice you need free and give you the right to get my e mail from GY.
It takes guts but if you only act in fairness at all times you will be protected by the system but acting has to be first step.