Gday hasbeen how is it going? take a breath mate.
Gillard the untrust worthy DID NOT SAY THE WORDS YOU CREDIT HER WITH~EVER.
The silly woman did say no carbon tax in my government.
She did, already undermining Rudd at the time, talk him in to dumping the ETS. but NEVER EVER said no ETS in my government, truth has value bloke.
Runner silly question, I voted conservative in NSW, for the only time in my life,, so far.
And a choice between Abbott and Gillard is painful she wins by default.
Wobbles, I backy you, keep on saying it like you think.
Sonofglion, review your list, it is full of presumptions and quite untrue mostly.
AND bloke I know you can do better rather you dumped the wasteful insults,after all, we all get it wrong you and me too.

Dear Poirot,

I am definitely hoping for a change of leadership for both parties.

Dear Pelly,

Some parties are only capable of talking the talk but aren't capable of coming up with any policies. Yet when in power their walk is not limp. Anything but. Many Victorians still shudder at the Kennett government's autocracy, cronyism and laissez-faire ideology as well as the eradication of an effective auditor-general. So much for government accountability. Ludicrous indeed!

You've nailed that one on Kennett Lexi. If your referring to ideological nutters' going off tap with their chest puffed out on the public purse.

Such is the toll and tolls in Victoria, instead of previously owning our own road system, we now rent it from the people we sold it too, for a couple of bridges and tunnels. The get out clauses were too comprehensive for any latter Gov't to consider rescinding.

It's now hard on reflection, too thank one's lucky stars or even Mr Rudd, that Tony Abbott is not our PM. Do both parties need to rethink their leadership ?, if wishing to retain or attain power respectively ?. Only time will tell I think Lexi, at the moment.

Leadership is only one aspect and the natural tendency for parties to change leadership due to polling only makes a mockery of the lack of substance in policy. While I personally did not like Mr Rudd, if there was evidence of substance and competency in delivery, even a despised leader would be tolerable.

The trouble with the Rudd leadership was the tendency to rape and pillage the delivery or operational end of government on the basis of budget cuts while continuing to pad out the senior management end including un-deserved performance bonuses even if the outcomes were disastrous. It is little wonder the insulation and BER schemes came unstuck.

Can't blame all that on Rudd even if he was asleep at the wheel and obsessed with neo-liberalism. Responsibility also rests with those senior bureacrats responsible for managing their departments. Many are too weak to say no to their ministers/PM even if things are being run into the ground.

There are so many so-called oversight groups within government including duplication leaving many with little to do while the powerhouses of departments chug away with minimal fuel struggling to do more with less.

Well Hasbeen,
As a matter of fact I do vote on principle.

I'm no lover of the new Labor Party but I do clearly remember the Liberals from way back in the late sixties as being dishonest opportunists who believe they were destined to rule us all. They are far worse now - power for the sake of it at any cost, with their bottomless grab-bag of dirty tricks, socially divisive wedge politics and dog-whistle racism. There's nothing they won't do or say to get their loathsome spotty behinds back into those white leather-seated ComCars.

The principle I adhere to is that I will never vote for those immoral unprincipled political thugs no matter who leads them.

We deserve better from both sides but we're stuck with what we have - the dregs of Shop Stewards, political staffers and failed suburban solicitors and lawyers.

Sonofgloin,
I could list some of "Honest John" Howard's less-than sincere outcomes but there is a word limit.

I think what Rudd's confessions made abundantly clear is that only reason Juliar is pursuing the carbon tax is that it was a negotiated condition of the alliance with the greens, and that she never would have done so otherwise.