Interesting responses. I happen to agree that Ms Bishop was ordinary although in keeping with ABC practice as a conservative she got very little air time compared with Mr Rudd and Mr Manne. I think she is a liability. I disagree that she is a lady in waiting as suggested by Lexi. Like the PM she is miles out of her depth already and I think she knows it. Along with the PM she has been promoted above her competency level. And just in case you think I am picking on woman I actually think that their are a couple of females in the Labour party competent enough to be PM despite myself disagreeing with their policies. One could not help but admire Mr Rudd and for the first time he came across well in my eyes. It was very amusing to learn some on the current bench wanted the ets scrapped completely. It must be as hard for these guys to pretend they believe in the ETS as it is for Turnbull to see his mate Abbott know it is c_ap. One wonders how much longer Labour can last with a unified front and yet a loathing of each other inwardly. Mr Rudd has every reason to feel salt being rubbed in his knife marks after agreeing with Ms Gillard's advice to delay the ets

Poirot:>> I reckon Rudd verses Turnbull would give Aussie politics a whole new impetus....can't wait to see what happens.<<

That Rudd is using personality politics to re ingratiate himself with imbeciles such as the ones that have commented positively about the Q&A performance does not surprise me, nor does their pathetic attempt of the rebuilding of the former PM back to acceptance.

The Labor party is incompetent, they run a line of under graduate ideological social and fiscal policies that fail to achieve a favorable outcome for the majority, but they certainly appease the minorities that allow them to exist. They are duds, they are self serving, and some Aussie imbeciles may deserve this government but the majority of Aussies did not vote for them. If it was first past the post Abbott good or bad should have been our PM. This is a case where no matter how foul the alternative it beats the scheiser out of the Labor status quo.

A real impetus indeed Poirot, I know you said you had a gutful of Julia but that you could consider the Labor party has anything to offer except disappointment surprises me, I thought you were a realist and not a token accepting dupe.

Oh, wow, sonofgloin...thou woundest me with the truth!

You are right, of course. I was merely getting carried away with the competitive aspect of of the game.

Both parties toe the same line - there aint any difference.
They perpetuate the current unsustainable myth - they are beholden to corporate interests - they are reactionary and media driven.

Thanks for the wake-up call : )

Dear SOG,

Talking about "ingratiation..." I saw the interview with Tony Windsor where he described how Tony Abbott begged to be made PM. Abbott said he'd do "anything," for the job. And that was part of the reason that Windsor said he decided to go with Labor. He felt that Tony Abbott's reasons for wanting the job were questionable. It seems that Tony Abbott led the parade in trying to "ingratiate" himself.

As for Mr Rudd - he runs rings around anyone the Opposition has on offer - with the possible exception of Malcolm Turnbull (who lost by only one vote initially). As for labelling people who disagree with you. Well that's a common trait when it comes to discussions on this forum - especially with highly emotive issues like politics. Venting one's spleen is healthy - so don't hold back and tell us what you really think. Onya SOG!

Dear runner,

Loved your last post!

Lexi:>> As for labelling people who disagree with you. Well that's a common trait when it comes to discussions on this forum - <<

Lexi my dear interlocutor, I have disagreed vehemently with Yabby, and never suggested him an imbecile; I have disagreed vehemently with Belly and never suggested him an imbecile. Imbeciles have an IQ of no more than fifty, but I know many imbeciles with a 130 quotient.

How do you address one who continually puts their hand in a fire believing the outcome may be different this time, an imbecile. My problem is given the subject matter every ones hand goes into the fire with the imbeciles. We need first past the post and non compulsory voting