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Which reminds me,
you haven't explained what happens when "derivative scams" collapse.

Where do those trillions of dollar go, Arjay?""

ever heard of bankers bonus
and commision..fees and charges?

how thick are you trying to be here?

i love ya like a brother
but bro

why you giving us stick for
take the big stick to the big money

its them got yours
and if not now
then soon

if you cant see how the real value..of your savings are shrinking
[as your banked dollars devalue]..your just too clever by half

if you divested

what about the rest of the ignorants
who didnt know any better

who trusted scumm
thought this or that bank was different
when they all run the same scam

the only ones going to get ANY..of the utah gold
are their mates

worth watching
mark keiser report
[not seen in oz]
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mike-krieger-explains-why-silver-bullets-are-only-defense-against-modern-financial-vampires

http://maxkeiser.com/2011/04/08/as-i-predicted-after-goldman-sachs-broke-the-law-they-lobbied-the-sec-to-change-the-law/

safe deposit boxes arnt safe
http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/04/get-your-gold-out-of-safety-deposit.html

[i recall when they stole our silver coins
those who had them in safe deposit baxes
found they had been swapped../roled over..into paper

Regime Change Libya: Privatization of their Central Bank and the Theft of their Nationalized Oil Profits
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/un-resolution-in-libya-is-about-oil-and-their-central-banking-system-updated/#more-15364

It has always been about gaining control of the central banking system in Libya. Oil is just a profitable side issue like every other state asset that is waiting in Libya to be privatized and sold off to multinational corporations like Bechtel, GE, and Goldman Sachs.

Oil is important and it is certainly a target but it isn’t the driving force behind these global wars for profit. Banking is.

Once the Coalition Provisional Authority took over in Iraq, the second thing they did, after signing a law banning the Baathists and disbanding the military, was to sign over the state-owned central banking system to privately held banking interests, bringing Iraq online with the web of private central banks.
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24225

That took place the very first day of the CPA’s control of Iraq.
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/libya-oil-banks-water-the-united-nations-and-americas-holy-crusade/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375018/Denis-Avey-broke-Auschwitz-expose-Holocaust-account-insult.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-08/libya-risks-somalia-like-chaos-as-fighting-drags-on-russia-s-ivanov-says.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hAzJt69xg5XgM4TCDoZBGk5yTJkg?docId=a5c1de3b3b1140b7a884491dd2591351
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/judea_declares_war_on_germany.jpg
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14534
usa become disfunctional
http://www.bushstole04.com/Obama_Presidency.htm/obama_neo_conservative.htm
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/globalists-coming-full-circle-obama.html

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14533
http://www.grist.org/industrial-agriculture/2011-04-06-monsanto-cash-helped-fund-bill-to-stifle-whistleblowers-in-iowa

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27843.htm
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/us-to-delay-china-currency-report.html
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/barack-obamas-budget-for-2012-a-complete-and-total-joke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ayxot9vQ_k

try to visit
just a few links

its time ...you knew
or at least tried to read some of the past posts at the blogs
[media wont tell you..the bankers bought them first]

OUG,Thanks for the links.Max Kaiser was on the Fall of the Republic.Finding the time is the issue.

We all have to start pushing for the formation of Govt Banks again.

That will be a start.The Rothschilds are pushing for the Yuan to be the World Reserve Currency and have initiated an Equity fund of $750 million US to entice China to join them.

I don't think that this will end well.The devils who have started all the past wars for profit are at it again.They want to accumulate even more of our assets.Stealing half our super was not enough.

Every country they invade has either oil,gas or valuable resources.Afghanistan has over $ trillion in Lithium.The really big prize is Iran.They cannot find a good enough excuse to invade it.

This lust for power and wealth is like a cancer,eating away at our humanity.It has to be attacked on many fronts.The source of that power is the Global Reserve Banking system.We have to push for Govt banks and slowly lower the fractional reserve ratio.

Cheers,Arjay.

Think it through, one under god, just one more time.

>>tally sticks arnt money
they represent 'money'
just like paper represents the only real money..[ie coin]
real coin money has its value in its metal purity
when all metal money ias equal..values are equal<<

Gold only "represents" money too, you know. It cannot, of itself, ever "be" money.

Here's an example.

You have a 1/10th oz. gold coin, let's say, that would have been "worth" US$25.66, on this day exactly ten years ago.

http://www.usagold.com/reference/prices/history.html

Today it is "worth" US$146.90

But only if you sell it for banknotes, then go into the shop and buy something with them. Woolworths can't accept your coin, as they are not licensed gold dealers.

Switch it around for a moment, and think in terms of "face value"

Let's call that 1/10th oz. coin the "OZ". Let's imagine that in return for a day's work at the call-centre back in 2001, they gave you 10 OZ. Would you expect them to give you the same wage (10 OZ) today? Given the price of the underlying metal, you'd be lucky to get 2 OZ.

Is that starting to become clearer?

Your idea that "real coin money" is somehow less vulnerable to fluctuation is, quite simply, wrong.

You also need to understand the sheer volume of metal needed to provide every Australian with "real coin money". Contemplate that for a moment. Then tell yourself what would happen to the price of the raw material, if you turned every transaction into one that had to be backed by "real money".

And a word about "discounts".

>>discounting means someone gets the short end
of the tally stick..[its the people getting the short end here]<<

In this context, a discount simply represents risk, and/or time. In the case of a Bond, it is mostly the estimation of value forgone, from that point in time, to the Bond's maturity.

No-one is robbing anyone with discounts. They are a perfectly simple mechanism to satisfy buyer and seller, that they are each getting a good deal.

But the question has to be asked Arjay, so what?

>>The Rothschilds are pushing for the Yuan to be the World Reserve Currency and have initiated an Equity fund of $750 million US to entice China to join them.<<

Here's your homework for today:

"The Australian Dollar has never been a World Reserve Currency. Has the Australian economy been damaged or boosted by this lack of status? For extra credit: how would this situation change, should the World Reserve Currency become the Yuan?"

If you get through that without serious injury, try this one:

"The IMF is floating the concept that the US Dollar should no longer be the World Reserve Currency, and that SDRs should replace them. Discuss the impact of such a move on the economies of the i) the US, ii) China and iii) Australia. For extra credit: justify the role of the SDR in today's nearly-post-GFC world."

Of course, the third and final question, which carries 80% of the total marks, will underline how well you understand international finance.

"China is under some pressure to make the Yuan the World Reserve Currency. If you were required to advise the National People's Congress, would you propose that this role be embraced or rejected. Limit your answer to the three major issues - it's impact on the domestic economy, on the world economy, and on foreign relations. For extra credit, explain why you would get a body-double to make such a proposal to the Congress"

If you can, for extra credit and a distinction, explain how the international cabal of banksters and robber-barons should position themselves in this unfolding scenario.

Pericles,I've never suggested the Aus $ be the world's reserve currency,our economy is too small.There is method in the madness of Rothschilds and some in the USA.China has intentionly kept the value of their currency low to be top of the export pyramid.So by making the Yuan the world's reserve currency,they will have to float it,thus it will be valued upwards.This will give countries like India,Vietnam the manufacturing edge and slow the growth and power of China.

The intent of these Global Banksters,is too get a foot hold in the Govt Banking system of China and make China more dependant upon the Rothschild phoney money.That is their long term aim.

The other more risky way is to bring on another world war like WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc and finance both sides of the conflict.China however is the thorn in their side having so many Govt banks creating infrastucture debt free.This is why China can grow at 10-12% while the West is lucky to get 3%.The more growth we have, the more debt we incur.Hence we cannot escape the boom and bust cycle.

The Global World Reserve banks create nothing of tangible worth and own almost everything.They via the share market scams,trade in human misery,by keeping poor countries enslaved in their debt trap.